50% Bullmastiff, 50% OEB

[2bully]

I think people jump on the pure bred bandwagon far too easily.
"Pedigee" what your dog is supposed to be
"Conformation" what your dog appears to be
"Performance and Temperment" what your dog is

[BullyLady]

I'm all for crossbreeds with a purpose, if there is a plan behind it, go for it.
What I hate is when people cross two breeds simply because that's what
they have in their yard, or because they "want to see how cool the puppies
will be", that's when I start having problems. And this person who is looking
to buy this mutt dog has given absolutely no indication that this crossing is
being done for any kind of purpose.

[2bully]

Originally Posted by BullyLady

I'm all for crossbreeds with a purpose, if there is a plan behind it, go for it.
What I hate is when people cross two breeds simply because that's what
they have in their yard, or because they "want to see how cool the puppies
will be", that's when I start having problems. And this person who is looking
to buy this mutt dog has given absolutely no indication that this crossing is
being done for any kind of purpose.

I can get on board with that. Something I found on another board.
The following is not intended to compare nor dis-credit anyone or anyones breeding program it is solely my thought and opinion based on my own beliefs and experiences.

Does Form truly follow Function...Maybe not in the short term in a controlled environment as it applies to a relatively new breed or breeding program ..short term being relative, so maybe not in our life time ..but in the end.. function and environment will win and create form...its simply the way nature evolves. So yes form does follow function. Albeit maybe not recognized in a few generations.

In my opinion many breeding programs are brought public to soon for what ever reason...financial, recognition or simply thinking the dogs are ready to be put in the hands of the public at large..... Once a breeder starts placing his dogs in other than a closely selected group he loses the genetic control necessary to evaluate, improve and continue setting deeper pronounced type.

Minor faults are going to manifest in any breeding program no matter how strict the selection criteria of the founding group, there is no perfect dog without some genetic faults. Its our job to recognize and breed away from these faults yet keep our goal of a superior well balanced working dog. Not an easy task and not one that most folks commit the 30 or 40 years it takes and the many thousands and thousands of dollars needed to invest. Nor have the heart to cull..cull...cull.

The end product is a direct result of the founding stock. Ideally this founding stock is the best of the best representing its FORM and FUNCTION. Often times this is a daunting and expensive venture to seek out test and PURCHASE the best blood available. I think its invaluable to OWN (if possible) the founding group and/or new infusion blood. This means purchasing dogs from anywhere in the world. Ideally hard working rustic isolated breeds that represent their intended purpose. The result is a beautiful thing...but of this I can only speak for myself....Sly


I think the second paragraph sums it up rather nicely.

[hit16v10]

Like you said, based on the wide variety that you'll find in "OEB's" that are out there the pups will probably be all over the place. The OEB is unlikely even close to purebred or consistent himself, so mixing in another totally unrelated breed will produce more inconsistent dogs, though most likely bigger than the OEB parent. Seeing what a mix like this that someone else might have bred won't do you any good.

[Drakoshuman]

Originally Posted by BullyLady

I'm all for crossbreeds with a purpose, if there is a plan behind it, go for it.
What I hate is when people cross two breeds simply because that's what
they have in their yard, or because they "want to see how cool the puppies
will be", that's when I start having problems. And this person who is looking
to buy this mutt dog has given absolutely no indication that this crossing is
being done for any kind of purpose.

Well put. But do we know this is a mutt breeding. There's not enough info to tell us either way. Good chance it is though. As 2bully pointed out, good breeding programs are generally kept under wraps and out of the general public's eye and it takes generations of breedings to even stand a chance at producing a "new and better" breed of dog. The RB is a good example of this. I like where 2bully's dog is at, but the quest for improvement continues with this breed. It's a lifelong ambition and not a chance 1 time breeding.

[Starrsmama]

I can send you a pic, but I haven't figured out how to post pictures here yet. Email me at kdgstar62@yahoo.com. I have an Old English Bull Mastiff....she is beautiful![/img]

[Starrsmama]

Colleen, put up a picture of Starr, I can't figure this thing out......I know there are purists out there that think pure breed dogs are the only good dogs. When actually there is no such thing. All breeds have been crossed at some point. Some combinations worked out better than others. If breeding an Old English Bulldog to a Mastiff is such a terrible thing, why do the puppies cost $3000.00! The are called Dogue de Bordeaux.

[drakosmama]

Originally Posted by Starrsmama

Colleen, put up a picture of Starr, I can't figure this thing out......I know there are purists out there that think pure breed dogs are the only good dogs. When actually there is no such thing. All breeds have been crossed at some point. Some combinations worked out better than others. If breeding an Old English Bulldog to a Mastiff is such a terrible thing, why do the puppies cost $3000.00! The are called Dogue de Bordeaux.

Kelly...I will come over today and show you how to navigate this forum. In the mean time here some of the pics I took of Starr. IMO, it doesn't matter either, she's a bully and I'm so happy you joined this forum! There is a fountain of information that will help you with Starr!

[2bully]

Originally Posted by Starrsmama

Colleen, put up a picture of Starr, I can't figure this thing out......I know there are purists out there that think pure breed dogs are the only good dogs. When actually there is no such thing. All breeds have been crossed at some point. Some combinations worked out better than others. If breeding an Old English Bulldog to a Mastiff is such a terrible thing, why do the puppies cost $3000.00! The are called Dogue de Bordeaux.

Dogue de Bordeaux is actually a recognized breed. I beleive the UKC registers them and that they are listed in the AKC foundation stock service program. I also believe that the FCI registers them as well. While the bulldog and mastiff are the usual suspects in the DDB, one can't mix the two today and have a DDB.

[forever_pit]

Originally Posted by Starrsmama

Colleen, put up a picture of Starr, I can't figure this thing out......I know there are purists out there that think pure breed dogs are the only good dogs. When actually there is no such thing. All breeds have been crossed at some point. Some combinations worked out better than others. If breeding an Old English Bulldog to a Mastiff is such a terrible thing, why do the puppies cost $3000.00! The are called Dogue de Bordeaux.

The price of a dog is not necessarily a reflection of quality.