50% Bullmastiff, 50% OEB

[valzoo]

Originally Posted by Starrsmama

Colleen, put up a picture of Starr, I can't figure this thing out......I know there are purists out there that think pure breed dogs are the only good dogs. When actually there is no such thing. All breeds have been crossed at some point. Some combinations worked out better than others. If breeding an Old English Bulldog to a Mastiff is such a terrible thing, why do the puppies cost $3000.00! The are called Dogue de Bordeaux.

It's called taking advantage of people who don't know any better.

[Drakoshuman]

Originally Posted by forever_pit

The price of a dog is not necessarily a reflection of quality.

How true, I don't know how many 2000 dollar EB's I"ve seen that have to have their asses wiped, not to mention the myriad of health problems they have.

[AllAmericanPUP]

Originally Posted by Starrsmama

Colleen, put up a picture of Starr, I can't figure this thing out......I know there are purists out there that think pure breed dogs are the only good dogs. When actually there is no such thing. All breeds have been crossed at some point. Some combinations worked out better than others. If breeding an Old English Bulldog to a Mastiff is such a terrible thing, why do the puppies cost $3000.00! The are called Dogue de Bordeaux.

what? the Dogue de bordeaux if a very old breed

http://www.bulldoginformation.com/do...-bordeaux.html

mixing a OEB and a Mastiff doesn't get you an DDB

[mercator1]

The first generation of any cross breeding will provide unpredictable results. In fact, that is true for any cross breeding. Only after breeding generations of the foundation stock will you get any reproducible results. You may, however, get some very cute pups, and some that look ridiculous. Also, they may look almost exactly like either the Sire or Dam. If you look at a lot of those Labradoodle or Puggle sites, you'll see offspring whose looks are all across the board.

[2bully]

Originally Posted by mercator1

The first generation of any cross breeding will provide unpredictable results. In fact, that is true for any cross breeding. Only after breeding generations of the foundation stock will you get any reproducible results. You may, however, get some very cute pups, and some that look ridiculous. Also, they may look almost exactly like either the Sire or Dam. If you look at a lot of those Labradoodle or Puggle sites, you'll see offspring whose looks are all across the board.

You'll be less likely to get the broad results that you're referring to if one were to breed from dogs with very similar phenotypes.

[mercator1]

I think with OEB and Bullmastiff, there is quite a range of size and proportion characteristics to get quite varied pups.

[2bully]

Originally Posted by mercator1

I think with OEB and Bullmastiff, there is quite a range of size and proportion characteristics to get quite varied pups.

Depending on the OEB, its foundation, and genotype percentages. Bullmastiffs are a popular outcross choice in some OEB programs because of the similarity in phenotype. A good many OEB programs have Bullmastiff in their foundation as well.

[esprinter]

Originally Posted by Kellee

I have read somewhere that the Bullmastiff was originally a cross between an Olde English Bulldogge and an English Mastiff. I think you would be getting something that looked like a thicker, bigger old english bulldog if I had to guess. I imagine there may be pics on the net if you google it, for the cross you are looking for.

Mine are Bullmastiff / American Bulldog crosses in the avatar.....minus the lil EB of course.

Bullmastiff were bred from The Old English Mastiff and the (now extinct) Old English Bulldog. When the breed was developed they strove for the bloodlines to be 60% Old English Mastiff and 40% Old English Bulldog. The Old English Bulldog no longer exists and it is not the same breed as today's Olde English Bulldogge.

P.S. A cross between a Bullmastiff and an Olde English Bulldog would be a mutt, but it would also probably be a really nice Bandog.

[esprinter]

Originally Posted by 2bully

Dogue de Bordeaux is actually a recognized breed. I beleive the UKC registers them and that they are listed in the AKC foundation stock service program. I also believe that the FCI registers them as well. While the bulldog and mastiff are the usual suspects in the DDB, one can't mix the two today and have a DDB.

Indeed.
DDB is an old breed here is a link to the AKC standard etc..
American Kennel Club - Dogue de Bordeaux