Breeder in Sunman, IN

[majestikmoose]

i agree with lisa-local is convienent for you, but imo, if you are going to pay for a dog, get the best dog you can, even if that means you travel quite a distance to get it, or have it shipped.

these dogs from the info given don't appear to have any real health or temperament testing done.

plus, just look at the site...i get that a nice website definately does not make a kennel a good one, but this one is pretty crappy even, and they don't even have good shots of the dogs. poor quiality head shots, and nothing that even shows the dogs structure clearly,etc.

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by majestikmoose

plus, just look at the site...i get that a nice website definately does not make a kennel a good one, but this one is pretty crappy even, and they don't even have good shots of the dogs. poor quiality head shots, and nothing that even shows the dogs structure clearly,etc.

Good point. Most breeders who understand good structure are going to post the best pictures of their dogs as possible. They want their dogs to look good, not like train wrecks. If a breeder is posting pictures on their website of their dogs that don't do them justice there is a good chance the "breeder" doesn't really have a good understanding of structure in the first place.

[mstngchic2012]

What is the NKC registry and is it a good registry?

[mstngchic2012]

Are the shorter muzzles and bullier head more desirable in the AB?

[forever_pit]

Originally Posted by mstngchic2012

Are the shorter muzzles and bullier head more desirable in the AB?

That depends on what you are looking for. A Johnson type or a Scott type, or a hybrid. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the really bully dogs. Having said that, Gator is a hybrid pup but I actually picked him over another male because of the longer muzzle that will help with performance abilities.

NKC = National Kennel Club.

ETA: Here is a link to the NKC standard for the AB. http://www.nationalkennelclub.com/Br...b-standard.htm
As you can see there are details on both the standard and bully types and at conformation shows the two types compete in different rings.

[Lisa]

A lot of people seem to be using the NKC these days. Haven't really formed much of an opinion of them yet myself although I don't particularly care for their 7/8th's rule.

As far as bullier heads and shorter muzzles...I personally do not see how this would be more desirable. Why do you ask? Short muzzles and "bullier" structure is a hinderance when it comes to a dogs ability to work and this is a working breed. People who prefer the bully types tend to just want a cool looking dog rather than a dog that has the temperament and physical ability to perform. I do appreciate a good bully dog (I like all types of AB's) however, due to their structure they are easily outworked by their standard and hybrid counterparts not to mention the fact that very few bully ab breeders take temperament into consideration. If they do it's usually in the very general sense and they don't test them very hard in that area so many of their temperament flaws are never fully exposed. The same can be said for many standard and hybrid breeders as well but I find it to be the worse with the bully ab breeders. Most are more concerned with size, color, markings, muzzle length etc than they are about the important stuff like temperament, health, and working ability. Many people (not saying all by any means) who prefer the "Bully type" AB's are mostly concerned with how cool they look standing there with their "bad ass" AB. The ironic thing is if you look around a lot of these big bad ass looking AB's have no confidence whatsoever due to the fact it's not a trait a lot of bully breeders breed for.

Hope that helped and please don't think all bully breeders are bad because I can think of a few good ones.

[mstngchic2012]

Well I ask because I found another AB breeder in Indiana (not in my neighborhood) and his AB's look to be very bully but that is just my opinion. Have you heard of High Octane Kennels?

[Cinder]

If/when I get another bulldog, I'm getting the best I can find, regardless of where they are located.

[Lisa]

I have heard good things about Glynn, the owner of High Octane Kennels, but know nothing about his dogs. I think they are mostly show dogs? Not sure why there is no info regarding hip or ncl testing on his site? He either doesn't do them or chooses not to list the results. I would want to know more about that. I know Glynn recently hosted a bulldog show in Kentucky and is pretty well known on the show circuit. Don't get the impression he is much of a working guy though.

Again, if you are looking for breeders, don't focus on location. Focus on quality. If you limit yourself to breeders located strictly in your state, you will eliminate a lot of very good dogs and breeders. You should have came out to the Chi Town show south of Chicago last weekend. Could not have been that far from you if you are from Indiana, and you would have got to meet a lot of AB people and lots of different bulldogs. If you are serious about learning more about the breed and finding out where the good dogs are, hit some shows and try and make friends with some of the more experienced people in the breed. Maybe even check out the True Grit board for more info regarding American Bulldogs. They can be a bit rough there at times but if you have thick skin you will be ok and should be able to learn a thing or two. http://true-grit.org/smf/ This is a pretty good board, but as far as a forum geared specifically towards AB's True Grit is the best one there is. There's a lot of knowledge and experience lurking over there and it isn't so much geared to the pet person like this one is. It's more of a place for the serious bulldoggers or those newbies who are serious about learning.

[Bones088]

oh brother....good luck with that one.........