obedience training

Shades · 11-16-2009, 05:06 PM

Has any one on long island heard of best friends pet training ( www.muttmanners.com)? I have looked into doing some training w them, but the gf is leary about their use of shock collars. I personally have felt the 'shock' they use and i think if used correctly it shouldnt be an issue. any ideas on this?
She has the basics down(sit, stay, down, come, leave it). But, she responds when and if she wants and usually only if a treat is involved. I've tried the praise and positive reenforcement track and she does get very stubborn at times. most of her stubbornness occurs when the gfs husky/sheppard mix is near by.

Cinder · 11-16-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shades

Has any one on long island heard of best friends pet training ( www.muttmanners.com)? I have looked into doing some training w them, but the gf is leary about their use of shock collars. I personally have felt the 'shock' they use and i think if used correctly it shouldnt be an issue. any ideas on this?

Is this a puppy? Is this your first go around with training? Does this dog have any underlying aggression issues?

If the first two are a yes, and the last a no, I would NOT go with shock collars. I personally feel that shock collars are a last resort for a highly drivey/focused animal. Most dogs/pups can be trained and focused with simple positive reinforcement and love.

esprinter · 11-17-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinder

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Originally Posted by Shades

Has any one on long island heard of best friends pet training ( www.muttmanners.com)? I have looked into doing some training w them, but the gf is leary about their use of shock collars. I personally have felt the 'shock' they use and i think if used correctly it shouldnt be an issue. any ideas on this?

Is this a puppy? Is this your first go around with training? Does this dog have any underlying aggression issues?

If the first two are a yes, and the last a no, I would NOT go with shock collars. I personally feel that shock collars are a last resort for a highly drivey/focused animal. Most dogs/pups can be trained and focused with simple positive reinforcement and love.

Agreed. I could only see using a shock collar as a last resort for a serious problem.

Shades · 11-24-2009, 08:11 AM

they have said that the use of the shock collar is for distance off lead training... as i've posted b4, Bella has the basics down, but, my main concern is for when she is off lead or out and about.

esprinter · 11-25-2009, 06:12 PM

Our Bella (and the rest of her class) were able to learn how to come, leave it, stop, and lay down and stay, off leash, at a distance from Petsmart (intermediate class) without even thinking about using shock collars. In fact the most negative thing we did was say the word "wrong" and try things over until they got it right.

Cinder · 11-25-2009, 06:52 PM

There are definitely ways to teach all that without the use of a shock collar. Getting a long ass lead is one of those ways.

Rocksolid · 11-28-2009, 02:43 PM

What do you mean by shock collar? I use a prong collar for training always. A shock collar would only be used if the dog barks constantly, and you use it to correct him then. But where I train, you always use a prong collar so you can correct the dog into proper position, and gradually work until he understands his job. Then you move onto long leads, then to no leash at all.

2bully · 11-28-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocksolid

What do you mean by shock collar? I use a prong collar for training always. A shock collar would only be used if the dog barks constantly, and you use it to correct him then. But where I train, you always use a prong collar so you can correct the dog into proper position, and gradually work until he understands his job. Then you move onto long leads, then to no leash at all.

"E" collar, just another tool that is effective when used properly. Collars can be used as correction or training depending on the discipline on subscribes.

Shades · 11-28-2009, 06:01 PM

also to be noted. since the gf left last week, Bella has been showing growing signs of what i consider aggressive behavior around friends and family members. It starts as a low level growl and onto a bark and hair on the back standing and an occasional lunge at someone. any ideas about that?

**gazar** · 11-28-2009, 11:22 PM

Can you give us some info on Bella? Her age, is she spayed, how you got her?
Has she had any aggression shown to her previously? It is hard to issue our
thoughts on the situation without some background info. Thanks

I just found your intro and saw that Bella is 8 months old and that you have
had her for 3.5 months. Did you get any background history with her?

11-16-2009, 05:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Shades Junior Member Stranger Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NY Posts: 23	obedience training Has any one on long island heard of best friends pet training ( www.muttmanners.com)? I have looked into doing some training w them, but the gf is leary about their use of shock collars. I personally have felt the 'shock' they use and i think if used correctly it shouldnt be an issue. any ideas on this? She has the basics down(sit, stay, down, come, leave it). But, she responds when and if she wants and usually only if a treat is involved. I've tried the praise and positive reenforcement track and she does get very stubborn at times. most of her stubbornness occurs when the gfs husky/sheppard mix is near by.

11-25-2009, 06:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
esprinter Senior Member Familiar Face Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: lancaster, Ca Posts: 301	Our Bella (and the rest of her class) were able to learn how to come, leave it, stop, and lay down and stay, off leash, at a distance from Petsmart (intermediate class) without even thinking about using shock collars. In fact the most negative thing we did was say the word "wrong" and try things over until they got it right. Last edited by esprinter; 11-25-2009 at 06:15 PM.

11-25-2009, 06:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cinder Senior Member Distinguished Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,124	There are definitely ways to teach all that without the use of a shock collar. Getting a long ass lead is one of those ways. __________________

11-28-2009, 11:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
gazar Agent Squint Distinguished Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: FLA-not a Certified Trainer -Multiple Pet Owner - Advice from past experiance (F) Posts: 6,985	Can you give us some info on Bella? Her age, is she spayed, how you got her? Has she had any aggression shown to her previously? It is hard to issue our thoughts on the situation without some background info. Thanks I just found your intro and saw that Bella is 8 months old and that you have had her for 3.5 months. Did you get any background history with her? __________________ MODERATOR Last edited by gazar; 11-28-2009 at 11:49 PM.

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11-24-2009, 08:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Shades Junior Member Stranger Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NY Posts: 23	they have said that the use of the shock collar is for distance off lead training... as i've posted b4, Bella has the basics down, but, my main concern is for when she is off lead or out and about.

11-28-2009, 02:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rocksolid Member Rookie Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto,on Posts: 54	What do you mean by shock collar? I use a prong collar for training always. A shock collar would only be used if the dog barks constantly, and you use it to correct him then. But where I train, you always use a prong collar so you can correct the dog into proper position, and gradually work until he understands his job. Then you move onto long leads, then to no leash at all.

11-28-2009, 06:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Shades Junior Member Stranger Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NY Posts: 23	also to be noted. since the gf left last week, Bella has been showing growing signs of what i consider aggressive behavior around friends and family members. It starts as a low level growl and onto a bark and hair on the back standing and an occasional lunge at someone. any ideas about that?