Bite inhabition - Page 2

**gazar** · 11-17-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hami2127

Really!? thats completly backwards of what we have been hearing, uh. Well from what i am hearing is that they will bite no matter what you do, the school of thought here is that you cant train a dog not to bite, only that you can train them to play bite softly. thats strange that you guys have been hearing it so differently

This is one of the sites that I googled, but their are others.
I just googled "biting puppy". Hope it helps.
http://www.wagntrain.com/PlayBiting.htm

Cinder · 11-17-2009, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hami2127

Really!? thats completly backwards of what we have been hearing, uh. Well from what i am hearing is that they will bite no matter what you do, the school of thought here is that you cant train a dog not to bite, only that you can train them to play bite softly. thats strange that you guys have been hearing it so differently

When you way "what you hear"....how many people have you heard this school of thought from? I guarantee that even if you went to PetSmart they would tell you how to stop the dog from puppy play biting you. That's why I said find another trainer.

hami2127 · 11-17-2009, 07:38 PM

thats actually what i heard first from the petsmart lady, that was are biggest complaint with his training, we couldnt do her classes and she actually suggest this other trainer wioth Seattl Dog Works, and they are a pretty highly respected dog training group

Cinder · 11-17-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hami2127

thats actually what i heard first from the petsmart lady, that was are biggest complaint with his training, we couldnt do her classes and she actually suggest this other trainer wioth Seattl Dog Works, and they are a pretty highly respected dog training group

I would be shocked to hear anyone on here agree with what they have told you, quite honestly.

Atticus was taught THE MINUTE HE GOT HOME that biting and/or mouthing was NOT to be tolerated. We did this by yipping like a puppy every time he would put his teeth on us. To this DAY he will not put his teeth ANYWHERE near us.

2bully · 11-17-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hami2127

Really!? thats completly backwards of what we have been hearing, uh. Well from what i am hearing is that they will bite no matter what you do, the school of thought here is that you cant train a dog not to bite, only that you can train them to play bite softly. thats strange that you guys have been hearing it so differently

Can you describe the methods used to train a softer bite? I don't discourage biting but I would prefer that the bite is on the bad guy rather than me. I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around how one would reward for the right pressure and correct for too much pressure without confusing the dog. Like I said I don't discourage biting I redirect biting of me or the family (namely my son), my dogs can bite the soon to be x all they want

, to an appropriate toy.

forever_pit · 11-17-2009, 11:10 PM

You can also try redirecting your puppy to appropriate play items or ignoring him when he does this. It also helps to allow your puppy to drag a lead so that you have more control.

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Originally Posted by hami2127

our trainer says that you should not discourage him from biteing you and that its a way of bonding with you but that we need to teach him to do it softly, its not the biting i have a problem with its just the force in which he does it

I have heard people discourage the use of yelling, bitter apple, etc. when teaching bite inhibition, the argument being that the dog learns that coming to play with you results in not-so-fun things happening. Redirection, on the other hand, teaches the dog to channel the play drive to select items and ignoring the puppy just shows the puppy that when he doesn't bite and is calmer that he gets to enjoy his owners.

Sam_Lover · 11-18-2009, 07:44 AM

I never used the bitter apple, or yelping, although I was told that yelping is one of the best ways they'll get the hint.. When Sam used to bite on us, we'd stop playing, and turn our back to her and ignore her.. Now, like I said before, she's accidently bit/nipped us and she immediately goes in the 'down' position and waits till we initiate more play..

I agree, I don't really discourage biting, but I won't tolerate biting us.. Biting/nipping, to me, by far, was the worst hurdle we had to get over with Sam.. You gotta imagine, with 5 kids running around, playing, yelling, being kids, all Sam wanted to do was grab onto something, someone.. It was driving us up the freaking wall!!

**gazar** · 11-18-2009, 08:15 AM

In the scheme of things this is like wanting your cake and eating it too.

We do not want our dogs to bite us. We do not want our dogs to bite unless on command.
We do not want our dogs to be afraid to bite or not to bite. We do not want our dogs to
bite if they sense danger. We do not want our dogs to play bite but we want our
dogs to be serious if they bite.

I am very confused and I am not a dog.

As a puppy, they need to know what is right and what is wrong. Nipping is wrong and that
is what the training should teach. As a dog gets older and IF you wish to teach your dog to
be protective, then teaching it proper biting techniques is in order. A dog is smart enough
to train on several issues if trained properly. I do believe that he can learn that nipping is
wrong and he can then later learn to bite on command.

In all reality, nipping is not biting on command, it is biting at will. (Jmo)

esprinter · 11-18-2009, 04:08 PM

Many dogs can be taught how to have a "soft mouth".
Bella has a "soft mouth". She will play bite sometimes (esp with other dogs) yet it never hurts. One time while playing tug of war with a rope I tricked her into missing the rope and grabbing my hand. Then I looped my fingers around her canines then we played tug of war with my bare hand. I was amazed that she could hold my hand so powerfully without hurting it. The only reason I did not continue to play like that with her on other occasions was that I did not want to encourage her to mouth on people. I wish I knew how she learned to have such good "bite control" but she is a rescue and she already was that way when we adopted her, at approx 1 year of age. Here is a link that may offer some insight as to how some might begin to teach it to a hunting dog.
http://www.trainingyourlab.com/soft-...-for-labradors

hami2127 · 11-18-2009, 04:20 PM

see that what i have read, when dogs play with eachother they bite and mouth but we expect them to not do it with us. its just a way they play they just need to be taught that we do it soft. Dogs see our hands the same way they see their mouths we use them for the same things. so when your pup runs off with your shoe you grab him, and when you grab his toy he grabs you, we just do it with different body parts. Dogs just need to learn there is alimit to what is acceptable play roughness

11-18-2009, 07:44 AM	#17 (permalink)
Sam_Lover Senior Member Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northwest Florida Posts: 564	I never used the bitter apple, or yelping, although I was told that yelping is one of the best ways they'll get the hint.. When Sam used to bite on us, we'd stop playing, and turn our back to her and ignore her.. Now, like I said before, she's accidently bit/nipped us and she immediately goes in the 'down' position and waits till we initiate more play.. I agree, I don't really discourage biting, but I won't tolerate biting us.. Biting/nipping, to me, by far, was the worst hurdle we had to get over with Sam.. You gotta imagine, with 5 kids running around, playing, yelling, being kids, all Sam wanted to do was grab onto something, someone.. It was driving us up the freaking wall!! Last edited by Sam_Lover; 12-14-2009 at 04:31 PM.

11-18-2009, 08:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
gazar Agent Squint Distinguished Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: FLA-not a Certified Trainer -Multiple Pet Owner - Advice from past experiance (F) Posts: 7,008	In the scheme of things this is like wanting your cake and eating it too. We do not want our dogs to bite us. We do not want our dogs to bite unless on command. We do not want our dogs to be afraid to bite or not to bite. We do not want our dogs to bite if they sense danger. We do not want our dogs to play bite but we want our dogs to be serious if they bite. I am very confused and I am not a dog. As a puppy, they need to know what is right and what is wrong. Nipping is wrong and that is what the training should teach. As a dog gets older and IF you wish to teach your dog to be protective, then teaching it proper biting techniques is in order. A dog is smart enough to train on several issues if trained properly. I do believe that he can learn that nipping is wrong and he can then later learn to bite on command. In all reality, nipping is not biting on command, it is biting at will. (Jmo) __________________ MODERATOR

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11-17-2009, 07:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
hami2127 Senior Member Not So New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 139	thats actually what i heard first from the petsmart lady, that was are biggest complaint with his training, we couldnt do her classes and she actually suggest this other trainer wioth Seattl Dog Works, and they are a pretty highly respected dog training group

11-18-2009, 04:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
esprinter Senior Member Familiar Face Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: lancaster, Ca Posts: 307	Many dogs can be taught how to have a "soft mouth". Bella has a "soft mouth". She will play bite sometimes (esp with other dogs) yet it never hurts. One time while playing tug of war with a rope I tricked her into missing the rope and grabbing my hand. Then I looped my fingers around her canines then we played tug of war with my bare hand. I was amazed that she could hold my hand so powerfully without hurting it. The only reason I did not continue to play like that with her on other occasions was that I did not want to encourage her to mouth on people. I wish I knew how she learned to have such good "bite control" but she is a rescue and she already was that way when we adopted her, at approx 1 year of age. Here is a link that may offer some insight as to how some might begin to teach it to a hunting dog. http://www.trainingyourlab.com/soft-...-for-labradors

11-18-2009, 04:20 PM	#20 (permalink)
hami2127 Senior Member Not So New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 139	see that what i have read, when dogs play with eachother they bite and mouth but we expect them to not do it with us. its just a way they play they just need to be taught that we do it soft. Dogs see our hands the same way they see their mouths we use them for the same things. so when your pup runs off with your shoe you grab him, and when you grab his toy he grabs you, we just do it with different body parts. Dogs just need to learn there is alimit to what is acceptable play roughness