Protective dog - Page 2

Dodo & Bull · 01-29-2009, 11:47 PM

I know what he means though..with all the home invasions now and all the junkies stealing people for there habit plus the recession i understand where he s coming from...people are stealing right & left....i understand you're worried about your family...

there was a story here not long ago about a home pet(pitbull) attacking 2 guys in a home invasion...the guys went running they got so scared...the owners didn t even know that there dog would protect them like that....they were proud owers...

paulnzeus · 01-30-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodo & Bull

I know what he means though..with all the home invasions now and all the junkies stealing people for there habit plus the recession i understand where he s coming from...people are stealing right & left....i understand you're worried about your family...

And we can't even have guns for protection

evosol · 01-30-2009, 12:08 PM

Spend some time researching and then make a decision if a PPD is right for you... based on my research, what i'm finding is that dogs who will really throw down when its life or death are far and few in between, and if they do make a die-hard PPD dog typically they will not make the best house pets.

But...it depends on a lot of things too, like the trainer's philosophy and methods. I think a lot of times its just way too easy to start tapping into the dogs defense drives and calling it a PPD dog, and thats what lots of trainers do.

If you find a good trainer, he'll will be able to work with you as far as what you want in a dog and your needs. More than likely you probably don't need a real ppd dog who's going to bite the life out of an intruder, most people just want a dog that can show a good bark.

Ive recently been talking with a PPD trainer whos a retired marines K9 trainer, and after doing my own due dilegence, I knew what I wanted from my dog, but i didn't nesessaryly need a real PPD dog. I enjoy working my dogs in addition to the OB as it relates to bite work... more PSA type stuff... lots of fun training and less defense type training. But the point i'm trying to make is that a good PP trainer will be willing to work with you, but its up to you to at least learn how to find a good trainer.

Heres a little primer... http://www.protectiondogforums.com/f...hread.php?t=24
You should also check out www.workingdogforum.com for more info, you'll have to register though!

Good luck!

evosol · 01-30-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AllAmericanPUP

i really hope some of the people who train in personal protection are going to speak up in this thread.

Making your dog fearful of strangers and wanting to attack anyone that comes to your door is a HORRIBLE IDEA and would be setting your family up for a lawsuit

I don't currently train in PP (spring time I will be), but I think it really depends on goals for the dog, methods, and quality of trainer. Some trainers beleive in starting out in pure defense and others start a dog out in prey, ultimately, and depending on whats required a good trainer will be able to design a program that will work out for the particular dog and the owner's needs.

but I'm kind of with you where I don't believe a dog should be made fearful of strangers. NooO!

mmasturgeon · 01-30-2009, 04:32 PM

You have a great dog there and I can see where David is coming from… My pup use to be like that always ready to jump and lick people when they come through the door.. But I think it’s on how you train your dog. I started training ‘Chump” very young and got him in deferent types of activity.. Now at 10months his doing spring pole and will start pulling weights after a year.. I always say your dog should be able to interpret your body language. When I take him for a walk, I practice with him.. When I get tense he gets into his bulldog stand then I give him the command that it’s ok and relax then his back to waggin his tale and greet people. I am not a dog expert but I spend so much time with him that I can honestly say I know what makes him tick… His only at 10 months right now going on 11 he still has a lot of growing up to do.. But if you want your dog to follow simple commands I suggest you just have to spend more time with him….I Love American Bulldogs .. When my OEB gets to be 2 years old I will most likely get a Johnson American Bulldog..

P.S. Animal Planet > Me or the Dog is a Great Show.............

ultimatek9 · 01-30-2009, 04:52 PM

Bully breeds are naturally people friendly. All six of my APBTs will great strangers at the front gate, with tongues flapping and full body wags going on. Even my protection trained one doesn't view someone approaching, in a normal manner, as a threat. And he shouldn't. IMHO a properly trained dog, doesn't self alert.
If you want a good home protection dog, get a Standard Poodle. I know several people with them, and they light up at anything and anyone.

mmasturgeon · 01-30-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ultimatek9

Bully breeds are naturally people friendly. All six of my APBTs will great strangers at the front gate, with tongues flapping and full body wags going on. Even my protection trained one doesn't view someone approaching, in a normal manner, as a threat. And he shouldn't. IMHO a properly trained dog, doesn't self alert.
If you want a good home protection dog, get a Standard Poodle. I know several people with them, and they light up at anything and anyone.

I Concur !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DavidB · 01-30-2009, 08:16 PM

I was under the impression that american bulldogs were naturally protective. I got that from reading all I could plus every breeder I talked to said this was the perfect dog for what we want (imagine that lol). I'm going to give him a little time and see how he developes. Even now its great to have him out in the back yard while the girls play and like you guys say just his presence would make most bad guys keep walking to the house with out a dog.
Just read Marley and me. Really cool to see they always doubted thier goofy, hyperactive dog could ever be a protector, but when the time came he stepped up to the plate.(that part's not in the movie)

paulnzeus · 01-30-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidB

I was under the impression that american bulldogs were naturally protective. I got that from reading all I could plus every breeder I talked to said this was the perfect dog for what we want (imagine that lol). I'm going to give him a little time and see how he developes. Even now its great to have him out in the back yard while the girls play and like you guys say just his presence would make most bad guys keep walking to the house with out a dog.
Just read Marley and me. Really cool to see they always doubted thier goofy, hyperactive dog could ever be a protector, but when the time came he stepped up to the plate.(that part's not in the movie)

I have seen AB's be very protective, my friends dog will also corner a person that she is weary of. Zero (my dog's uncle) is also very protective. Zeus just looks at a new person as someone that may be the perfect candidate to play ball with or scratch his butt

The problem with having a dog that protects/attacks on it's own judgment is that it could be a friend, mailman or a service tech etc. and you could end up in a lawsuit and loose your dog. I guess I look at a dog in a different manner, Zeus is part of my family (as is yours like you said) I would feel devastated if someone stabbed or shot him trying to protect me. It's not the best neighborhood north of my house and anytime Zeus is with me I'm not bothered in the least as most fear him due to his size. (if they only new he was a suck)

Roses Mom · 01-31-2009, 03:20 AM

My Rose has a temperament just like your boy. She's 5 yo now but ever since we've had her, at 8 wks, she's been socialized and loves everyone. We even had maintenance men come into our back yard when we weren't home and they told us she was very friendly and licked them to death. We keep her tethered in the yard when we know maintenance is coming by so she can't run out.

Anyways, we are military and my husband is deployed about every other year for a year so I looked into doing personal protection with Rose, to rpotect myself and our daughter. I was told by several trainers that I needed to decide if I wanted a house dog for the family or a PPD. They said that once they're trained in PPD to recognize threats they can be a liability around children becuase the child may inadvertently do a behavior that the dog will see as a threat. Of course children and dogs should always be supervised but if you're across the room and your dog thinks your child is threatening him or you and he decides to attack it will happen in seconds.
I'm not trying to say at all that PPD can't be good family pets or that they are dangerous or unstable. They go through lots of training. I was just told to choose which dog I wanted so as not to confuse Rose on what we expected of her.
I don't regret at all deciding not to train her in PPD. We had a prowler one night when my husband was gone and all it took was one deep bark from Rose and I let her jump at the window and the prowler ran away and never came back. It just sounds like your boy is blessed with such a good temperament I would just let him be his happy self.

01-30-2009, 04:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
ultimatek9 Senior Member Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 767	Bully breeds are naturally people friendly. All six of my APBTs will great strangers at the front gate, with tongues flapping and full body wags going on. Even my protection trained one doesn't view someone approaching, in a normal manner, as a threat. And he shouldn't. IMHO a properly trained dog, doesn't self alert. If you want a good home protection dog, get a Standard Poodle. I know several people with them, and they light up at anything and anyone. __________________

01-29-2009, 11:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dodo & Bull Senior Member Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North of Montreal, Quebec Posts: 4,606	I know what he means though..with all the home invasions now and all the junkies stealing people for there habit plus the recession i understand where he s coming from...people are stealing right & left....i understand you're worried about your family... there was a story here not long ago about a home pet(pitbull) attacking 2 guys in a home invasion...the guys went running they got so scared...the owners didn t even know that there dog would protect them like that....they were proud owers...

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01-30-2009, 12:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
evosol Senior Member Familiar Face Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 390	Spend some time researching and then make a decision if a PPD is right for you... based on my research, what i'm finding is that dogs who will really throw down when its life or death are far and few in between, and if they do make a die-hard PPD dog typically they will not make the best house pets. But...it depends on a lot of things too, like the trainer's philosophy and methods. I think a lot of times its just way too easy to start tapping into the dogs defense drives and calling it a PPD dog, and thats what lots of trainers do. If you find a good trainer, he'll will be able to work with you as far as what you want in a dog and your needs. More than likely you probably don't need a real ppd dog who's going to bite the life out of an intruder, most people just want a dog that can show a good bark. Ive recently been talking with a PPD trainer whos a retired marines K9 trainer, and after doing my own due dilegence, I knew what I wanted from my dog, but i didn't nesessaryly need a real PPD dog. I enjoy working my dogs in addition to the OB as it relates to bite work... more PSA type stuff... lots of fun training and less defense type training. But the point i'm trying to make is that a good PP trainer will be willing to work with you, but its up to you to at least learn how to find a good trainer. Heres a little primer... http://www.protectiondogforums.com/f...hread.php?t=24 You should also check out www.workingdogforum.com for more info, you'll have to register though! Good luck!

01-30-2009, 04:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
mmasturgeon Familiar Face Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area San Jose Posts: 369	You have a great dog there and I can see where David is coming from… My pup use to be like that always ready to jump and lick people when they come through the door.. But I think it’s on how you train your dog. I started training ‘Chump” very young and got him in deferent types of activity.. Now at 10months his doing spring pole and will start pulling weights after a year.. I always say your dog should be able to interpret your body language. When I take him for a walk, I practice with him.. When I get tense he gets into his bulldog stand then I give him the command that it’s ok and relax then his back to waggin his tale and greet people. I am not a dog expert but I spend so much time with him that I can honestly say I know what makes him tick… His only at 10 months right now going on 11 he still has a lot of growing up to do.. But if you want your dog to follow simple commands I suggest you just have to spend more time with him….I Love American Bulldogs .. When my OEB gets to be 2 years old I will most likely get a Johnson American Bulldog.. P.S. Animal Planet > Me or the Dog is a Great Show.............

01-30-2009, 08:16 PM	#18 (permalink)
DavidB Stranger Join Date: May 2008 Location: sc Posts: 21	I was under the impression that american bulldogs were naturally protective. I got that from reading all I could plus every breeder I talked to said this was the perfect dog for what we want (imagine that lol). I'm going to give him a little time and see how he developes. Even now its great to have him out in the back yard while the girls play and like you guys say just his presence would make most bad guys keep walking to the house with out a dog. Just read Marley and me. Really cool to see they always doubted thier goofy, hyperactive dog could ever be a protector, but when the time came he stepped up to the plate.(that part's not in the movie)

01-31-2009, 03:20 AM	#20 (permalink)
Roses Mom Familiar Face Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawaii Posts: 332	My Rose has a temperament just like your boy. She's 5 yo now but ever since we've had her, at 8 wks, she's been socialized and loves everyone. We even had maintenance men come into our back yard when we weren't home and they told us she was very friendly and licked them to death. We keep her tethered in the yard when we know maintenance is coming by so she can't run out. Anyways, we are military and my husband is deployed about every other year for a year so I looked into doing personal protection with Rose, to rpotect myself and our daughter. I was told by several trainers that I needed to decide if I wanted a house dog for the family or a PPD. They said that once they're trained in PPD to recognize threats they can be a liability around children becuase the child may inadvertently do a behavior that the dog will see as a threat. Of course children and dogs should always be supervised but if you're across the room and your dog thinks your child is threatening him or you and he decides to attack it will happen in seconds. I'm not trying to say at all that PPD can't be good family pets or that they are dangerous or unstable. They go through lots of training. I was just told to choose which dog I wanted so as not to confuse Rose on what we expected of her. I don't regret at all deciding not to train her in PPD. We had a prowler one night when my husband was gone and all it took was one deep bark from Rose and I let her jump at the window and the prowler ran away and never came back. It just sounds like your boy is blessed with such a good temperament I would just let him be his happy self.