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Can i buy a bite sleeve and use it with Orson, even if he sees it as a large toy to tug and bite at instead of him seeing it as actually biting a bad guy??
Is it wrong to use it as a game and not "protection training"??
 
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OrsonDogge said:
Can i buy a bite sleeve and use it with Orson, even if he sees it as a large toy to tug and bite at instead of him seeing it as actually biting a bad guy??
Is it wrong to use it as a game and not "protection training"??
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no problem at all.
 
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I wouldnt due to the fact that in the future if you do want to do protection training, it'd probably be harder to teach him because he'd view it all as a game and not training. I dont know though, i'm sure someone else on here is more educated on this matter and could give you better advice.
 
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Are you going to actually put it on your arm, or just let him run around with it?
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hmmm, dont know. Both? I might not be able to, cause he's so strong he might pull me down..hubby can tho.

wouldnt due to the fact that in the future if you do want to do protection training, it'd probably be harder to teach him because he'd view it all as a game and not training.
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Orson...protection!! :laughing5: Highly doubt it, if you consider rolling over on his belly protection. :wink:
i think that's why you give a command to "bite" the sleeve and a release command.
 
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racoffin5 said:
I wouldnt due to the fact that in the future if you do want to do protection training, it'd probably be harder to teach him because he'd view it all as a game and not training. I dont know though, i'm sure someone else on here is more educated on this matter and could give you better advice.
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Viewing it as a game is not a big issue so long as you have a competent trainer if you ever decide to move to something more along the line of PP.

My older bitch is trained in Schutzhund, and being an APBT, she was trained that the entire thing was a game, and that her reward was to get to play with the guy in the suit. She's also trained in PP though, and I addressed her training in a different manner for that.

The pup is a Sch prospect, and learning the ropes as we speak, but him being an APBT, he's trained in the manner of it being completely a game, and nothing more.

sorry if my reply seems short, I'm rushing cause I was interrupted when this started and have to run to a meeting to knock some heads.

- Anthony
 
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thanks! that is what i thought.
Viewing it as a game is not a big issue so long as you have a competent trainer if you ever decide to move to something more along the line of PP.
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so, do i (or hubby) just put on a sleeve and have him play tug with it?
Is it that all i need to do as a game?
Any suggestions on where to get a good sleeve for a 70 pound dog?
 
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OrsonDogge said:
so, do i (or hubby) just put on a sleeve and have him play tug with it?
Is it that all i need to do as a game?
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Yes and No. I'd rather not over-simplify it, so let me see if I can find some info for you when I get a chance.

Any suggestions on where to get a good sleeve for a 70 pound dog?
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There is a guy/company on Ebay who sells sleeves and tugs for a reasonable price. Use the keywords "Schutzhund" and you'll get a ton of hits.
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
Orson is 2

What kind of drive does he have?
he has HIGH ball/toy drive!

What's his strength like?
he loves to hang on springpole. Will hang on to toy as you lift him off ground.

What's his speed like?
fast, for a bulldogge. He does agility training.

Is that what you were looking for? :D
 
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http://elitek9.com/
They have some stuff. I personally would not put on a sleeve for my own dog regardless of the reason. I would suggest using a large tug. I would only do sleeve work under the guidance of an experienced trainer, pp sport club, and etc.
 
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I think one of the large 2-handed tug toys would be better than a sleeve. I looks like a toy. You wouldn't want Orson to mistake someone's thick winter coat sleeve as something to latch onto.
 
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I agree that a tug or some other toy you could play tug with like a rope or something similar would be a much better idea. I think it would be a bad idea anyways to take a sleeve and actually put it on your arm and let him bite it and besides that sleeves are EXPENSIVE and require new covers when the old ones get worn out. Also there are too many areas of a sleeve that can become ruined if your dog were to target it. Just do what most other pet owners do and go to a pet store and buy a toy or order a tug from an online store.
 
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Lisa said:
I agree that a tug or some other toy you could play tug with like a rope or something similar would be a much better idea. I think it would be a bad idea anyways to take a sleeve and actually put it on your arm and let him bite it and besides that sleeves are EXPENSIVE and require new covers when the old ones get worn out. Also there are too many areas of a sleeve that can become ruined if your dog were to target it. Just do what most other pet owners do and go to a pet store and buy a toy or order a tug from an online store.
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Well said, Lisa. :) I just wanted to add to the "protection" side of the discussion. It sounds like Orson exhibits the behaviors favorable for bite work. Something that a lot of people do not realize is that it IS a game to the dog. From a bite bar to a decoy, they are taught that it is okay to bite hard and hang on until instructed to let go. They see it as play-time. They do it as puppies and they do as adults.

If your intention is to teach Orson protection work, then educate yourself on proper technique and work up to a sleeve. If you want to keep it a game, then just get a fat rope with a knot at each end. He'll be just as happy. ;)
 
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thanks everyone. The main reason i was thinking of getting a sleeve as a big tug toy is that i can use my whole arm to hold him as opposed to ropes and such toys i have to hold on to with my hands.
I cannot play tug with him because he is too strong and rips the toy from my hand in seconds....that is not a good game of tug since there is no actual tug involved just a pull and he's got the toy. :lol:
I figured with a sleeve, i wouldnt be using a grip but the whole power of my arm to hold him and it would be a better fight for him.
Does that make sense?
And yes, he has a springpole but i want something he can tug with inside/outside that's interactive with me.
 
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If I were you I would perahps get one of those Bite pillows. EliteK9.com as a nice one that is a little bigger than some of the other brands. I always go back to the bitepillow to pratice on basic fundamentals. If Bitework s somethingyou want to do I suggest going to see a trainer first.

Regards

Mario
 
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