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A breed that fits the work or fit the work to the breed? Here's the deal I was having a conversation with my trainer. She has concerns about my dogge ability to clear the jump with a dumbell (schutzhund) and being able to make the bite during the escape because of his height. She is also concerned about the stresses involved in landings (jump & a-frame) due to the way he's put together.
Could a group of the breeds enthusiasts adopt the rules of a protection sport and just change the height of the jumps and allow the dogges to target the legs and arms? When I say adopt I mean everything remains the same except the height of the jump or jumps and and the location the dogges are allowed to target during protection phases. The height of the jumps could be based on the height of the dogge, similar to how its done in agility.
 
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PPBoxer said:
I think that dogs under 20" at the withers use smaller jumps already...

PS> Juggernaut is gorgeous!!!
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Thanks for the compliment on my dogge. As far as I know the jump heights in protection sports are set at a certain height regardless of the height of the dog.
 
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PPBoxer said:
Sorry I meant in a all breeds organization like you were asking about like this one...

http://www.dvgamerica.com/
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Ring sports/protection sports encompasses all the sports (Mondio ring, French ring, Belgian ring, American Street ring, PSA, Schutzhund, and all the others I missed). I train in Schutzhund. My dogge can compete in the venues. The concern is the dogge's ability to safely to perform the jump and a-frame due to his size and structure. I would like to bring together a group of enthusiasts of the breed and pick a venue, adopt their rules but change the height of the jumps and what the dog can target during the protection phases to better suit the breeds structure.
 
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2Bully
When i was in a DVG Club a few years back we had a Duck Tollier (retriever ) Under 40 pds doing a schutzhund OB1 and in the rule books it says there are 2 heights for the A frame and Jumps for smaller dogs, BUT when the judge showed up he wouldnt allow them to lower it its to the judges "discretion" So i am not sure you would have to email DVG America or GSSC or Schutzhund USA to see if judge in certain Organizations allow it. I know our club doent care, its only a OB1. How big is Juggernaut???
 
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Juggernaut is about 18 to 20 inches at the top of his shoulder and about 50 to 60 pounds. I looked at the DVG website but the computer I mostly use doesn't open the files that the rules are in. The club I train with is part of the USA orginization(sp?). I could also allow him to avoid the jump or train it as a palasade(sp?) and take the point deduction during the retrieve. As far as the a-frame that could be trained similar to agility with contact points. I'll have to condition the behavior without painted areas.
 
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Bully, I think juggernaut should have no problem clearing the jumps... My boxer is smallish, 22inches tall and weighs 55 pounds and he can clear 4' with ease, all day... aswell as execute a 6+ foot a frame thats nearly vertical... Have you tried to see how high he can jump with a adjustable hurdle? Juggs looks very muscular to me...
 
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PPBoxer said:
Bully, I think juggernaut should have no problem clearing the jumps... My boxer is smallish, 22inches tall and weighs 55 pounds and he can clear 4' with ease, all day... aswell as execute a 6+ foot a frame thats nearly vertical... Have you tried to see how high he can jump with a adjustable hurdle? Juggs looks very muscular to me...
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Due to his age we haven't worked real hard on the jump. He reaches about 5 feet vertical to work his springpole. The concern is if he'ld make the jump while carrying a dumbell.
 
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Have you looked into French Ring at all?? To see if the requirements are different to be more accommodating for his size. I think at least the bite work is done on the lower half of the body instead of trying to get bites solid on the arms and shoulder which is allot harder I am told for a bulldogge. They tend to go low on the legs. Since Loki was titled in Breve I know it can be done in our group of dogs, you might want to check it out..I am also new to this so if I have interpreted what was said wrong I apologize in advance..I am very green..

Sahrene
 
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SagaandRagnar said:
Have you looked into French Ring at all?? To see if the requirements are different to be more accommodating for his size. I think at least the bite work is done on the lower half of the body instead of trying to get bites solid on the arms and shoulder which is allot harder I am told for a bulldogge. They tend to go low on the legs. Since Loki was titled in Breve I know it can be done in our group of dogs, you might want to check it out..I am also new to this so if I have interpreted what was said wrong I apologize in advance..I am very green..

Sahrene
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Thanks Sahrene I'll check in to it. My concern would be the Palasade.
 
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2bully said:
SagaandRagnar said:
Have you looked into French Ring at all?? To see if the requirements are different to be more accommodating for his size. I think at least the bite work is done on the lower half of the body instead of trying to get bites solid on the arms and shoulder which is allot harder I am told for a bulldogge. They tend to go low on the legs. Since Loki was titled in Breve I know it can be done in our group of dogs, you might want to check it out..I am also new to this so if I have interpreted what was said wrong I apologize in advance..I am very green..

Sahrene
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Thanks Sahrene I'll check in to it. My concern would be the Palasade.
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Yah I don't know how high they have to have it? Ragnar has done it once but I cant remember how many boards. He also has done the A- frame too. Give Wayne a call or shoot him an email! He is a great resource for this stuff. I got to talk with him awhile on Sunday and he really gave me allot of good info..

Sahrene
 
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6 to 7 feet for the palasade. I have talked to Wayne, he hopes to take Dragon to fr1. I think Loki is as far as he's capable, but I could be wrong.
 
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That I didn't know, I think I would've given my left "edit" for that dogge. Maybe he needs a kidney or lung, Dragon would be worth that and then some.
 
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2bully said:
SagaandRagnar said:
Have you looked into French Ring at all?? To see if the requirements are different to be more accommodating for his size. I think at least the bite work is done on the lower half of the body instead of trying to get bites solid on the arms and shoulder which is allot harder I am told for a bulldogge. They tend to go low on the legs. Since Loki was titled in Breve I know it can be done in our group of dogs, you might want to check it out..I am also new to this so if I have interpreted what was said wrong I apologize in advance..I am very green..

Sahrene
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Thanks Sahrene I'll check in to it. My concern would be the Palasade.
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But they dont even have to do the palisade until ring II...You still have breve and Ring I to get through first...
 
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This is just my opinion on the subject, and not directed at anyone specific

If you and your dog need to join another group of owners and create the same exact sport, but make some things easier because your dog was physically unable to do them in the first place is just admitting that your dog is "sub-par" and you took the easy way out and just went and catered the sport under a different name, to your dog's "disabilities".

If your dog can't handle it, he can't handle it, you shouldn't disrespect the established and dignified sports that have worked for years for the prestige that they carry.
 
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