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#21 ·
The biggest reason is that there have been several trainee's in the last few years that have died during basic . In fact just in the last week or so here at Ft Jackson, they won't take the chance not worth the liability & the fact that we now have a kinder, more gentle military now
 
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chipinsc said:
The biggest reason is that there have been several trainee's in the last few years that have died during basic . In fact just in the last week or so here at Ft Jackson, they won't take the chance not worth the liability & the fact that we now have a kinder, more gentle military now
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This kind of stuff just baffles me. We are going to have soft warrriors out in the field? I'm all for health and taking care of ones body. Supply those young men with enough water, but continue to push them through their PT.
 
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gazar said:
More than likely, he was sick - perhaps with the flu and was trying to make
the run but could not. They probably picked him up to take him to the ER.
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Do they do that? I always thought they made you run through your illness? Maybe they gave him a fair shot at doing it, then when they realized he wasn't joking, they swooped him up?
 
#25 ·
Marines... The few, the proud, the dead on the beach. Or so my father-in-law used to say. He was in 3 wars and twice retired from the military so he can say what he wants. Marines are still tough SOBs in my book.
 
#26 ·
Cinder said:
chipinsc said:
The biggest reason is that there have been several trainee's in the last few years that have died during basic . In fact just in the last week or so here at Ft Jackson, they won't take the chance not worth the liability & the fact that we now have a kinder, more gentle military now
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This kind of stuff just baffles me. We are going to have soft warrriors out in the field? I'm all for health and taking care of ones body. Supply those young men with enough water, but continue to push them through their PT.
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Make Love not War?
 
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Bones088 said:
Cinder said:
chipinsc said:
The biggest reason is that there have been several trainee's in the last few years that have died during basic . In fact just in the last week or so here at Ft Jackson, they won't take the chance not worth the liability & the fact that we now have a kinder, more gentle military now
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This kind of stuff just baffles me. We are going to have soft warrriors out in the field? I'm all for health and taking care of ones body. Supply those young men with enough water, but continue to push them through their PT.
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Make Love not War?
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Would be nice if we were afforded that option. But alas, we are not at this time.



It's sure interesting to see how everything that didn't kill us then, somehow kills us now. I'm pretty sure there were the same issues back then with training, but it's such a damn litigious society now (even though you can't sue the military), and everyone wants to be so PC.
 
#28 ·
Sam_Lover said:
I'm Air Force.. Aim High!! lol..
I hope I do well.. I'm battling some Flu symptoms too, so I haven't ran since Tuesday..
Back in the day, you could fail like 2 or 3 times, and they just send you to a class.. Now, the commander can take administrative action after your first failure.. You can even do well on the run, the push-ups, and the sit-ups, but if you waist is barely over the max, you FAIL.. I think my main concern will be the push-ups this year.. I may do fine, but I'm just worried about how my wrist is gonna hold up after not doing anything with it for so long..
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I have been a civilian contractor at the local air base all summer, man people get worked
up about their PT tests!! :lol: I can see why though, one girl lost a stripe last week for
having failed too many. :?
 
#29 ·
Cinder said:
Occasionally we will watch the young hotties do their morning jog.
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Why only occasionally? Hotties require CONSTANT supervision. :lol: :lol:

bodazafa said:
My cousin's one goal in life was to be career military - he was 18 - in awesome health - went to basic - started getting migraines from the heat and physical workouts - they kicked him out and told him he can never be in the military because of it.
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Awww, that's sad :( I'm sorry.


I dunno. I think those military PT stuff is HARD. Plus, I watch too many movies and I'm always wondering if the drill sgt. guys are really THAT mean. I have no experience w/ military. My bro is Army National Guard, but he doesn't tell me anything about it.
 
#31 ·
Managirl said:
Cinder said:
Occasionally we will watch the young hotties do their morning jog.
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Why only occasionally? Hotties require CONSTANT supervision. :lol: :lol:

bodazafa said:
My cousin's one goal in life was to be career military - he was 18 - in awesome health - went to basic - started getting migraines from the heat and physical workouts - they kicked him out and told him he can never be in the military because of it.
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Awww, that's sad :( I'm sorry.


I dunno. I think those military PT stuff is HARD. Plus, I watch too many movies and I'm always wondering if the drill sgt. guys are really THAT mean. I have no experience w/ military. My bro is Army National Guard, but he doesn't tell me anything about it.
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My cousin is now in training for the police force in the small town he lives in - which is kinda second best for him. My ex was an officer in the national guard and went they did their basic before going to Iraq he said it was REALLY hard - they were in Alabama and he said with the heat and humidity there were constantly people passing out and yacking.
 
#32 ·
Well I can give information from two points of view since I am "old" corps and my son is "new" corps. During my days in the Marine Corps, we ran until many of us did puke. The Drill instructors were technically not allowed to hit us but it always happened. Now with my son, there are so many new rules. If someone is falling out on a run or pukes, they have to be picked up and seen by the Corpsman. If someone can not meet the physical requirements, then they are sent to a PCP or Physical conditioning Platoon. There, they will train up to increase their physical conditioning until they can be returned to boot camp training and basically start over again. If they can not make it through the PCP, then they are discharged. Now, if some kind of medical condition is found, then they are kicked out immediately as a medical discharge.
 
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klaker said:
Well I can give information from two points of view since I am "old" corps and my son is "new" corps. During my days in the Marine Corps, we ran until many of us did puke. The Drill instructors were technically not allowed to hit us but it always happened. Now with my son, there are so many new rules. If someone is falling out on a run or pukes, they have to be picked up and seen by the Corpsman. If someone can not meet the physical requirements, then they are sent to a PCP or Physical conditioning Platoon. There, they will train up to increase their physical conditioning until they can be returned to boot camp training and basically start over again. If they can not make it through the PCP, then they are discharged. Now, if some kind of medical condition is found, then they are kicked out immediately as a medical discharge.
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That's just so interesting...there has to be a middle ground between your days and now.


And as for watching them all the time, mana....I still have to WORK! LOL! If we get out and about for walks we can see them, and back when we had softball games over there I would just ignore them game and watch them get their work out on!
 
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klaker said:
But there should not be any middle ground. These young recruits are training to become combat Marines. The training they receive in boot camp and Infantry school is what makes Marines what they are.
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Agreed, but it seems to be a case of if/and/or now.
 
#36 ·
Agreed, but it seems to be a case of if/and/or now.[/quote]

I personally think that the training programs over the years have declined to the point where Drill Instructors hands have been tied and they can not properly weed out the non-hackers. Life in the military is not for everyone. Life in the Marine Corps is for even fewer than that and boot camp should be very hard.
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
klaker said:
Agreed, but it seems to be a case of if/and/or now.
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I personally think that the training programs over the years have declined to the point where Drill Instructors hands have been tied and they can not properly weed out the non-hackers. Life in the military is not for everyone. Life in the Marine Corps is for even fewer than that and boot camp should be very hard.[/quote]


I'm not disagreeing with you.
 
#39 ·
A friend is going through training as we speak. He told me they had to carry half of their body weight on their backs and walk 30 kms. They were only allowed a few hours of sleep a night and they weren't allowed to shower for a week :shock: It sounds like torture to me but he explained that it's all necessary to prepare them for war and everyone has to give their 100% because each solder is responsible to get the mission complete with the least fatalities. The weak have pretty much been weaned out at this point of his training. He didn't think he was going to get in due to the steel plates in his legs but he passed the physical with flying colors.
 
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paulnzeus said:
A friend is going through training as we speak. He told me they had to carry half of their body weight on their backs and walk 30 kms. They were only allowed a few hours of sleep a night and they weren't allowed to shower for a week :shock: It sounds like torture to me but he explained that it's all necessary to prepare them for war and everyone has to give their 100% because each solder is responsible to get the mission complete with the least fatalities. The weak have pretty much been weaned out at this point of his training. He didn't think he was going to get in due to the steel plates in his legs but he passed the physical with flying colors.
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What they do is knock you down and build you back up again. That's why they call them "jarheads", the insinuation (or joke) is that they unscrew their heads and replace them with all the same Marine brains. It's great in theory...you take everyone, break them down and build them back up as one. Builds camaraderie and like minded thinking...and focus.
 
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