This kind of proves my point.What is a "true bulldog" to you John? Is it about conformation? Temperament?
IMO, the bulldog is a utilitarian dog that should do a wide variety of tasks when asked - the most important of which, to me, is protection and hunting.
Historically, these dogs have been tied with other bulldog breeds so why does it matter if that relationship continues? Why does it matter if one AB looks more bully and another looks more Pit Bull-ish or Houndy? Are you aware of how different working Labradors look from one another? Why is that? Because they are not being bred for appearance, they are being bred for work.
Tina, I think it is quite an assumption to say that ABs that are outcrossed with other dogs are going to be "garbage dogs". Are y'all aware that some of the MOST SUCCESSFUL working dog kennels and bloodlines in the world hang papers regularly? Why? Because of the conformation registrations, it is common knowledge that these folks would breed any working dog to another working dog to improve their lines. I'm not just talking bulldogs either.
You're probably right about that. I saw it as a discussion about the eventual health of the AB but the topic is much more broad than health.may be better suited for the debate/discussion section rather than the health section...
It's faking a pedigree.And whats hanging papers mean?
I don't doubt this for a minute. BUT if the traits can be found within the breed, why outcross? If it's only to shave time and errors off of the breeding program, I would consider it a shortcut.IMHO a great working APBT can only add to any breeding program
But would you paper it as either one in order to compete? If for some reason it turned out to be a great bird dog? Sure it might turn out to be better than either breed. Then what? You created a really good working mutt. Nothing wrong with that unless you claim it to be one of the two breeds IMO.i would buy a GSP/weim mix if it was what I was looking for in a working dog, why the hell not? if the cross and pedigree brought something to the table that was an advantage then there is nothing wrong with that.
Not at all. That would be a problem with the organization your working with and not a problem with the dog. If people want to compete in an anything goes registry, make an anything goes registry or competition. I don't know if something like that exists for working dogs, but if not...it damn sure should!And should great dogs not be allowed to compete because they have a shot of some other blood?
Thanks for the link to that thread!Perhaps an interesting link for some, be warned it is looong.
post all ur apbt x ab crosses !
AB working board discusses the AB x APBT cross.
Most equate the "purebred" to quality and it just isn't so.
THE PURITY OF PUREBRED DOGS, by David J. Arthur
I can dig it.John, I don't care much about "type" except for how it affects working ability.
Even if a single "type" is defined, I think there will be plenty of people who don't care and continue to work with what they are working with.
You gave your thoughts on the matter at hand, and were offended when somebody finds the idea ridiculous. Sadly, your response has been the least adult out of the 7 pages this has gone.I don't agree with the statement that the OSW is a breeding program strictly for hunting, or that it's just marketing hype, but I'm fine with the fact that others might see it that way.
This being a forum for discussion, is going to have opinions other than your own. If you can't accept that without feeling offended, judged, etc. than maybe you should do a little growing up of your own.Turns out, this isn't a forum for adult discussion, it's an elementary school clique.
:dontknow:I find it humorous that the most outspoken against outcrossing in the thread don't have breeding programs or actively working/testing their dogs according to their ideal type/breed to the best of my knowledge. Seems like they want to arm chair quarterback those that do.
