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I was surprised by the differences in OEB when I first started looking . . . I went OEB because they are supposed to be healthier/live longer, yet I wanted the English look . . . are my dogs going to be healthier, live longer just because OEB is their "name?" Probably not . . . I did not know squat, I know a little more now because of you guys.

But I'm sitting here thinking horse again! LOL!
Why do we feel a breed/ABs need to look alike?????

We raise Quarter horses & Paints, same bloodlines, Quarters are solid, Paints are spotted . . .

I raise certain bloodlines because I like to game/barrel race, I like turn & burn with brains & good conformation . . . I mix, cow, raise & halter . . . my favorite bloodline is Skipper W and his breeder was Hank Weiscamp, Weiscamp bred cow & race type horses with beautiful conformation, and Skipper W horses usually have golden retriever type temperaments . . . I used to run Man O War, Moon Deck, Jet Deck bred horses, all race bred & terrible to train, hot hot hot, nasty at times and thoroughbredy built, very lean, best horses I ever had once you get them trained if they did not kill you BUT I'm over 50 now and not into getting maimed . . . the Skippers are easier to train because they are ppl lovers, they are rounder & prettier built but still have the heart & conformation to get out & boogy . . . there are Quarters & Paints out there bred for western pleasure, english & other disciplines that are not going to fit with my breeding program because of conformation, temperament etc . . .

My Skipper W bred mare has taken grand champion in halter here in Minnesota but if I was to place in the WORLD show, I would probably have to have an Impressive bred horse, fed, medded & trimmed to be competitive in halter class, bred to look like a BEEF cow, so fat & heavily muscled that they can't trot without tripping over themselves much less run! And very possibly foundered & dead by age 5.

so I guess what I'm saying is that even in the bullies, AB, OV, OEB, EB, etc . . . is difference in a breed a bad thing????? The AB has many different uses. Do most bully ppl go by bloodlines like I do with my horses? You hear ppl mention "Scott type" or "Gargoyle" bloodlines etc . . . You go with the bloodlines/breeder that suit your discipline be it protection sports, hunting, showing or pet . . . .
 

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Jo - I'm not all that up on my bloodlines as far as horses go but I do know a few. And sadly all the halter horses I've been seeing in the major show rings are the BEEFY horses with short legs and hooves the size of a tea cup saucer. I'm personally into foundation type QH's because the ones I have experience with have the turn & burn with the brains. At my job we have all different types of QH's and TB's and my favorites are the fairly lazy horses that know their job and will do it when asked. We have horses that won't work or are hot tempered and those are the horses I hate teaching people to ride on because I'm teaching beginners. ***Our AQHA & APHA horses all go back to some thoroughbred and we prefer to ride mares so they are still a little hot/independent minded, I cannot put novice riders on them, but the way we like them :0) . . . knowing the Quarter and Paint horse registries, you know that they are like the AB or OEB, as they were a mix, a heinz 57, going all the way back to Arabians in the 1700s . . . and Thoroughbreds (under certain requirements) are still accepted to breed into the AQHA, thoroughbred and Quarter are accepted to breed into Paint . . . so I guess that would be considered an outcross???***

Anyways, to tie this into back into dogs it's all about personal preference anymore. We have those like Alison, Mike, and Lisa who are all about the working dog. Then we have those of us who just want pets. And there are those who are into conformation showing. There tends to be a huge difference in all these types within one breed. Again it's about preference. I would prefer a pet that has a solid temperament and that I can get into the working world.
***I guess I was not seeing that at first, thinking that a bully breed needs to be the same, but if I look at it like registered Quarter horses, covering different types/bloodlines, one breed covers so many different disciplines/uses . . . if we realize that, then we can expect to see difference in the breed as far as bloodlines/uses go and we can expect out-crosses to be used to better a certain type for a certain purpose/discipline . . . that there cannot be only one standard type of AB or OEB or APBT to cover all the purposes/disciplines these dogs are used for by people who have different ideals.***
 

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I could care less about papers on my dogs . . . but I can see where papers could be important . . .

my horses are a business, you show in your disciplines, get them out get them seen, state Expos, breed shows etc . . . keep up with memberships, registrations, DNA, breeding reports . . . breed NICE outside mares for ppl who will show them, ship semen, breed your mares, sell the foals at 3-5 months old . . . I used to get $500 to $2000 a foal right off the mare, paid for the keep of our 30 plus breeding horses at the time and a few extras, always for the ranch, trailer, tractor etc . . . those very same foals without their papers would be worth about 10% of their value.
with this economy, they do not pay for themselves and we have cut way back.

The money was/is in registered horses, there is no money in grade/unregistered horses.
They have to be registered to show at breed shows and at World, horses shown & winning at that height will still bring top dollar . . . you can still get $100,000 for well bred cutting and reining horses, big money if you are winning with big money invested . . . Hollywood Dun It Won over $2,000,000 and 50% interest sold in him for $1,000,000 . . . imagine those private stud fees! His babies won big, very prolific stallion . . . so you are talking registered horses plus all the money you are paying into futurities to compete. The big AQHA championship race pays out over $1,000,000 . . .
big money racing/showing is only in registered breeds . . .

so is it like that with dogs too?????

endurance racing is one of the very few things I can think of, where the horses do not need to be registered or a certain breed, mules compete too . . .

 

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not necessarily the money that the big horse races bring . . .
not much money in your typical registered horse right now either . . .

I mean the ppl who show registered dogs, I would imagine you are showing and breeding, promoting your bloodlines and in order to breed, raise, show, you would need papered dogs . . .

you hear so many bad things about defects in litters . . . I would hope there are some responsible, knowledgeable breeders out there raising good quality pups?????
 
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