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I had seen this mentioned but I didn't know what it was. Did a little search and found these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_roll
http://www.bogartsdaddy.com/Bouvier/Training/alpha-roll_no.htm
http://dogs.about.com/cs/basictraining/a/alpha_roll.htm
http://dogs.about.com/cs/basictraining/a/alternatives.htm

Seems like a bad idea to use this method in training.

My dog seems to have accepted her subordinate status rather easily with out any real effort what so ever. Example: When she gets out of the crate in the morning or comes inside, she goes to the sofa, sits in front, rests her head on the cushion and follows me or my wife with her eyes. Once we have sat or layed down to eat or watch the tube, she lays down. Sometimes if were talking to/praising her, she flops onto her back and stretches out. Sometimes when were playing in the yard she will run towards me full speed, then about 15' away she'll dive and roll several times, always ending up on her back right at my feet.
 

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When my female was a pup and was really testing me I would alpha roll her occasionally and it did work. But I would only use it in extreme cases when she was totally out of hand. It worked for me but its something you have to know when it is an appropriate time to do it.
 

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thats interesting its not something ive ever had the need to even think about attempting though from some of the stuff ive read on here it would seem to be fairly common practice among owners on this board,or am I wrong?
 

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I feel it depends on the type of dog. My DH uses the alpha roll on Chopper. Chopper is a very dominant dog and being a dominant bulldog makes him even more thick headed.
 

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We used to alpha roll Bella (or rather hold her down on her back with our hand on her chest until she stopped fighting us) when she was a small pup and was being very nippy, but ever since I've read that alpha rolls are only done in the wild by "alpha wannabes" trying to usurp a true alpha or as an intention to kill, I haven't done it to either of my dogs. I'll hold Bella down in play and scratch her belly, but she knows the difference between that and my forcing her over on her back. I don't want to risk losing my dogs' trust by forcing them into a position that they might infer as an intention to kill them.
 

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Since the Alpha roll was used for so many years by "dogmen", there must be something to it. However, spanking was also widely used & accepted as a means of punishment for children, while now it's frowned upon.
I do believe that no first time dog owner should attempt this without a qualified trainer. I have never found the need to use it, and I'm sure it can be quite dangerous for "newbies".
Mnay people feel shcok collars are "inhumane", or "cruel", while many other trainers use them to sharpen responses in their dogs.
In summary, I guess I think there's a time & a place for everything. Alpha rolls should not be used be inexperienced owners. JM2C
 
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