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I'm in a Danish forum - hundeforum.dk and right now there's a discussion about whether an Amstaff Terrier is the same as an American Pitt Bull terrier. The guy claiming so also says they might have a bit different background but the genetics shold be about the same. Can anyone help me out here - I've no idea if it's like that or not. Any links to websites explaining the issue will also be greatly appriciated! Thank you -

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they are not two different breeds

to be a different breed would mean one of them would have had to have had something mixed in to make it different, wich didnt happen.

the AKC registered pit bulls as Am Staffs to get away from the pit fighting history.

you cant call them two different breeds when you can take one dog and register it with the UKC as an APBT and the AKC as an AST.

they are the same breed just two different types.

Generally the AST is bred for show and looks and the APBT is bred for working

it's just like most other working breeds, you have the show variety and the working variety, same breed but they usually look slightly different.

take the English Springer Spaniel for instance

working dog


show dog
 

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AllAmericanPUP said:
they are not two different breeds

to be a different breed would mean one of them would have had to have had something mixed in to make it different, wich didnt happen.

the AKC registered pit bulls as Am Staffs to get away from the pit fighting history.

you cant call them two different breeds when you can take one dog and register it with the UKC as an APBT and the AKC as an AST.

they are the same breed just two different types.

Generally the AST is bred for show and looks and the APBT is bred for working

it's just like most other working breeds, you have the show variety and the working variety, same breed but they usually look slightly different.

take the English Springer Spaniel for instance

working dog


show dog
thats your opinion.......they changed the name to a differant breed name and bred for a diff.purpose and 70 years has seperated them..the english springers still share the same breed name..i hate the fact that you can register amstaffs with ukc as a pit bull..tell me why you cant register a pit bull with akc if they are the same...let me hear the answer to that.....rs
 

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crackerbull said:
AllAmericanPUP said:
they are not two different breeds

to be a different breed would mean one of them would have had to have had something mixed in to make it different, wich didnt happen.

the AKC registered pit bulls as Am Staffs to get away from the pit fighting history.

you cant call them two different breeds when you can take one dog and register it with the UKC as an APBT and the AKC as an AST.

they are the same breed just two different types.

Generally the AST is bred for show and looks and the APBT is bred for working

it's just like most other working breeds, you have the show variety and the working variety, same breed but they usually look slightly different.

take the English Springer Spaniel for instance

working dog


show dog
thats your opinion.......they changed the name to a differant breed name and bred for a diff.purpose and 70 years has seperated them..the english springers still share the same breed name..i hate the fact that you can register amstaffs with ukc as a pit bull..tell me why you cant register a pit bull with akc if they are the same...let me hear the answer to that.....rs
you can register a pit bull with the AKC, it just gets registered under the AST name. because the AKC wouldnt recognize them as pit bulls because they did not want to be associated with their fighting background
many dogs are dual registered with the UKC and AKC

if you breed an AST with an APBT you dont get mutts now do ya? nope ya sure dont therefore they are not 2 different breeds.
 

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AllAmericanPUP said:
crackerbull said:
AllAmericanPUP said:
they are not two different breeds

to be a different breed would mean one of them would have had to have had something mixed in to make it different, wich didnt happen.

the AKC registered pit bulls as Am Staffs to get away from the pit fighting history.

you cant call them two different breeds when you can take one dog and register it with the UKC as an APBT and the AKC as an AST.

they are the same breed just two different types.

Generally the AST is bred for show and looks and the APBT is bred for working

it's just like most other working breeds, you have the show variety and the working variety, same breed but they usually look slightly different.

take the English Springer Spaniel for instance

working dog


show dog
thats your opinion.......they changed the name to a differant breed name and bred for a diff.purpose and 70 years has seperated them..the english springers still share the same breed name..i hate the fact that you can register amstaffs with ukc as a pit bull..tell me why you cant register a pit bull with akc if they are the same...let me hear the answer to that.....rs
you can register a pit bull with the AKC, it just gets registered under the AST name. because the AKC wouldnt recognize them as pit bulls because they did not want to be associated with their fighting background
many dogs are dual registered with the UKC and AKC

if you breed an AST with an APBT you dont get mutts now do ya? nope ya sure dont therefore they are not 2 different breeds.
all american you better read this..the akc considers them a dif. breed.now prove your point here is my proff. http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/americanpitbullterrier.html
 

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crackerbull said:
AllAmericanPUP said:
crackerbull said:
AllAmericanPUP said:
they are not two different breeds

to be a different breed would mean one of them would have had to have had something mixed in to make it different, wich didnt happen.

the AKC registered pit bulls as Am Staffs to get away from the pit fighting history.

you cant call them two different breeds when you can take one dog and register it with the UKC as an APBT and the AKC as an AST.

they are the same breed just two different types.

Generally the AST is bred for show and looks and the APBT is bred for working

it's just like most other working breeds, you have the show variety and the working variety, same breed but they usually look slightly different.

take the English Springer Spaniel for instance

working dog


show dog
thats your opinion.......they changed the name to a differant breed name and bred for a diff.purpose and 70 years has seperated them..the english springers still share the same breed name..i hate the fact that you can register amstaffs with ukc as a pit bull..tell me why you cant register a pit bull with akc if they are the same...let me hear the answer to that.....rs
you can register a pit bull with the AKC, it just gets registered under the AST name. because the AKC wouldnt recognize them as pit bulls because they did not want to be associated with their fighting background
many dogs are dual registered with the UKC and AKC

if you breed an AST with an APBT you dont get mutts now do ya? nope ya sure dont therefore they are not 2 different breeds.
all american you better read this..the akc considers them a dif. breed.now prove your point here is my proff. http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/americanpitbullterrier.html
true but you said you can register a pit bull with akc.show me how..rs
 

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maybe you cant do it anymore but i know you use to be able to dual register a dog with the UKC and AKC.

i dont keep up with all the changes in the registries, the standards and the rules change too much :roll:
 

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AllAmericanPUP said:
they are not two different breeds

to be a different breed would mean one of them would have had to have had something mixed in to make it different, wich didnt happen.

the AKC registered pit bulls as Am Staffs to get away from the pit fighting history.

you cant call them two different breeds when you can take one dog and register it with the UKC as an APBT and the AKC as an AST.

they are the same breed just two different types.
So I guess Tyson is American Pitbull afterall 8)


 

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AllAmericanPUP said:
maybe you cant do it anymore but i know you use to be able to dual register a dog with the UKC and AKC.

i dont keep up with all the changes in the registries, the standards and the rules change too much :roll:
You can register an AKC AmStaff as a UKC APBT (if you had registered it with the AKC first), but you can't register a UKC APBT as an AKC AmStaff if you had registered with the UKC first. I think that's how it works; someone can correct me if I'm wrong! So, the UKC considers them the same breed, but the AKC doesn't.
 

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Leeann.Bella.Remy said:
AllAmericanPUP said:
maybe you cant do it anymore but i know you use to be able to dual register a dog with the UKC and AKC.

i dont keep up with all the changes in the registries, the standards and the rules change too much :roll:
You can register an AKC AmStaff as a UKC APBT (if you had registered it with the AKC first), but you can't register a UKC APBT as an AKC AmStaff if you had registered with the UKC first. I think that's how it works; someone can correct me if I'm wrong! So, the UKC considers them the same breed, but the AKC doesn't.
I think your right they are the same thing to me.
 

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AsianRedneck said:
AllAmericanPUP said:
they are not two different breeds

to be a different breed would mean one of them would have had to have had something mixed in to make it different, wich didnt happen.

the AKC registered pit bulls as Am Staffs to get away from the pit fighting history.

you cant call them two different breeds when you can take one dog and register it with the UKC as an APBT and the AKC as an AST.

they are the same breed just two different types.
So I guess Tyson is American Pitbull afterall 8)


something like that :roll:
 

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Cookies Mom said:
Leeann.Bella.Remy said:
AllAmericanPUP said:
maybe you cant do it anymore but i know you use to be able to dual register a dog with the UKC and AKC.

i dont keep up with all the changes in the registries, the standards and the rules change too much :roll:
You can register an AKC AmStaff as a UKC APBT (if you had registered it with the AKC first), but you can't register a UKC APBT as an AKC AmStaff if you had registered with the UKC first. I think that's how it works; someone can correct me if I'm wrong! So, the UKC considers them the same breed, but the AKC doesn't.
I think your right they are the same thing to me.
I tend to think of APBTs as being bred for performance and AmStaffs as being bred for looks (conformation). I can understand why people would think that AmStaffs aren't APBTs because the essence of an APBT is performance. But, no other breed(s) went into the creation of the AmStaff, so I don't consider them to be a different breed. Different flavor of the same breed maybe, but not a different breed.
 

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AsianRedneck said:
AllAmericanPUP said:
they are not two different breeds

to be a different breed would mean one of them would have had to have had something mixed in to make it different, wich didnt happen.

the AKC registered pit bulls as Am Staffs to get away from the pit fighting history.

you cant call them two different breeds when you can take one dog and register it with the UKC as an APBT and the AKC as an AST.

they are the same breed just two different types.
So I guess Tyson is American Pitbull afterall 8)


LMAO.... just HAD to throw that in there, huh! :lol: I love Tyson, no matter what he is!! :D
 
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