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For starters - you need to do some research on EB's.... EB's cannot mate naturally. They must be artificially inseminated -which means the male needs to be er- um - taken care of by hand.

Secondly - What makes your EB worthy of breeding? What titles does he have and what tests have you had done on him? EB's are prone to many many many genetic disorders. I know - my girl was a genetic mess and it ultimatly cost her her life.

And for third - The *typical* stud fee for an unproven, untitled, untested male is maybe $500. Even a poorly bred EB puppy can fetch $1000 or more. Mainly because the females cannot birth naturally and require a C-Section and that is VERY costly.

Do some research on the breed. Get him involved in things (shows and such) see what his potential is - see if he proves himself worthy - Find a mentor to teach you about the breed and to show you the "ropes" -THEN think about breeding him.

AKC registration doesn't really count for much these days. There are thousands of poorly bred dogs of all breeds that are AKC Registered.

Please think about what I've told you - and do some research first. Your boy and the breed thank you...
 

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Thanks for the reply and sorry to hear about your Dog but don't you think it is a little arrogant to assume that I know nothing about bull-dogs? Before I bought my puppy I read two books on the breed and did countless research on the net about the breed and potential breeders until settling on a couple that have been breeding champion bull-dogs for the past 60 years. My dog came from a champion male and from a female with no known genetic defects.
I am not interested in making this a hobby or anything like that. I figured I would look around on forums and see if their were anygood breeders out there looking for a good stud in return for a puppy. I would have him "taken Care Of" obviously. Just because a dog hasn't been to a show or won one doesn't mean that he is a genetic mess and wouldn't make a good stud. Both vets he has been to, ONe a Bulldog specialist have told me that he is the best bull-dog they have seen. I just thought that he would make a great stud that's all.
Anybody with a Good Bitch lookin for a stud??
 

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Not to get into an debate , but to be fair Tinkerbell could only go on the info you posted so don't be so defensive when she questioned you . I haven't been here long , but the time I have been here I have seen alot of irresponsible people asking questions to breed their dog so she was just trying to inform . She still has valid points irregardless of the parents , after all not every dog from champion parents will be perfect . Every litter has the potential to have some genetic problems even though the other dogs are healthy .

After all said and done you do know your dog best and if he is a good stud then congratulations and I hope you find a good b'witch to breed him to , just make sure your picky about the dame .

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You aquired your dog from a breeder that has been breeding for 60 years??How old are they now??Just curious, not that it makes a difference.

It is hard to take someone seriously when they come to a new forum and "advertise" as you did.

I am one for believing that a good quality dog can come from an untitled paretn/s, however, if you are SERIOUS about the whole thing, why not show first?
 

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They look like they are in there early 80's I would guess, It is an old married couple that lives on a farm in north east michigan. As far as "advertising" as I did, is their something wrong with inquiring about suchj a thing, afterall isn't that what forums are for?? As I stated I am not in it to show, that is not my thing. To me the flame and the "uh oh" right of the bat was a bit much. That's all.
 

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They look like they are in there early 80's I would guess, It is an old married couple that lives on a farm in north east michigan. As far as "advertising" as I did, is their something wrong with inquiring about suchj a thing, afterall isn't that what forums are for?? As I stated I am not in it to show, that is not my thing. To me the flame and the "uh oh" right of the bat was a bit much. That's all.
Well... the Uh oh and the flameing was because if you were REALLY as educated and informed on the EB breed as you claim to be, then you wouldn't be here asking questions. You asked if anyone here knew how to go about finding a bitch to stud your dog too. If you were knowledgable on the breed like you claim to be, you would already know the avenues required to reach your goal.

EB litters are very expensive to have. Therefore most quality owners/breeders (not BYB's or millers) wont breed to an unproven male.

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Re: forget your stud...

AsianRedneck said:
Forget your Stud. I have the baddest stud on the planet! Who wants to breed? 5000 Stud service





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I can't stop laughing Jesus says....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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zepplin48138 said:
Thanks for the reply and sorry to hear about your Dog but don't you think it is a little arrogant to assume that I know nothing about bull-dogs? Before I bought my puppy I read two books on the breed and did countless research on the net about the breed and potential breeders until settling on a couple that have been breeding champion bull-dogs for the past 60 years. My dog came from a champion male and from a female with no known genetic defects.
I am not interested in making this a hobby or anything like that. I figured I would look around on forums and see if their were anygood breeders out there looking for a good stud in return for a puppy. I would have him "taken Care Of" obviously. Just because a dog hasn't been to a show or won one doesn't mean that he is a genetic mess and wouldn't make a good stud. Both vets he has been to, ONe a Bulldog specialist have told me that he is the best bull-dog they have seen. I just thought that he would make a great stud that's all.
Anybody with a Good b-witch lookin for a stud??
Well if you know so much about breeding is your bulldog conformationally correct? Has he been proved in the ring? How about OFA, CERF, Thyroid and other genetic tests? What frequency of entropion or allergy is in his line? How long lived is his line? What is the prevalent cause of death of his predecessors? Bruecellosis testing?

Very sorry but you really don't know what you're doing. And in fact with some breeds there is a good chance he's a genetic mess....that's why we test.

Paula
 

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I said I know about the breed, not breeding, maybe you should learn to read after all I am looking to stud not to do the breeding.....No name calling.
 

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Angie......that is the best stud I have ever seen.....do you think the puppies could pass naturally????...........Just kidding....I don't want paula to have a coranary.
 

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I said I know about the breed, not breeding, maybe you should learn to read after all I am looking to stud not to do the breeding.....Jack-ass
Very classy!

If you want to "stud" your dog out(pimp) then you should by all means also be familiar with the breeding process. I mean, that is what most professional breeders do! And having a stud, is part of breeding! You have to know your dogs background to the "T" first, and it sounds as if you dont.

And before you start slinging mud here, watch out, keep the off taste names to yourself, they aren't welcome, especially from a newbie!
 

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I never claimed to be a professional did I, to be professional I would be looking to make money off it...the same goes for being a pimp. SINCERELY,
The NEWB :evil:
 

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I'm not looking to fuel the debate. As an owner of a quality EB male and breeder of American Bulldogs, I am just going to offer my take on studding a dog out.

You will have no problems finding someone in your local paper who wants to breed thier female EB for a pup back. That is the truth. The upside..you will probably get your pup...the downside...you might not have anybody appraoch you with quality dogs, the bitch owners may not be knowledgable, who knows where the pups will go, if they will survive, what will the quality of the pups be, and so forth.

If you want to do it right, you will need to do a bit more research and promote your dog more. If you have a quality stud, people will be contacting you, not the other way around. If you don't want to show, at least do agilty, rally-o, therapy work, join your local breed club..get a CGC, have your dog health tested, etc. Learn pedigrees and know what lines carry what problems, and know what bitc's will match up well to your stud, so you can discriminate and feel good knowing you are trying your best to put some quality pups out there.

If people see you doing things with your dog, they will want to breed to him. Go through the breed club (an AKC club) and advertise him and his accomplishments. Check out http://www.bulldogsworld.com/ and http://forum.bulldogdomain.com/ and get involved with others in the breed, etc.

I'm not trying to bash, just inform. My own personal opinion, I feel the best dogs should be bred and the rest altered..the breed is in shambles with the amount of health issues they have and hundreds of people are in heartache over thier ill or dead bulldogs. I think of all the breeds, EB's really need to be scrutinized with breeding stock...if only the healthy, tested dogs were bred..the trend in sickly bulldogs would decline.

On a side note, I had someone call me and try to sell me an unregistered EB female for $2000..she was terrible structure wise and had a bad case of demodex mange..they were breeding her and selling pups at $1800...no papers, known health issues...it was sickening. The only reason they were "getting rid" of her is because thier unpapered male died outside in the 115 degree heat..and they wanted to focus on thier Pugs, Frenchies, OEB's and AB'sinstead. The sad part is how many people are doing this these days..what about all the people that got pups from her... if I would have had the $2000, I would have bought her just to alter her, get her healthy and find her a loving home.
 

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Thank's....That was a great response. I can't agree with you anymore. I was fortunate to find a great breeder that truly cares about the breed. I probably won't be breeding my dog I was just kind off fishin for info....rest assured though If I were to breed him it would be done the right way. I love my dog and the breed enough to respect it and not breed unhealthy pups. Thanks for the GOOD response. By the way what state are you in....I was thinking of getting an american Bulldog...I am in between the americans and a bull mastiff. Not sure which I will choose though
 
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