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Don't know anything about bloodlines but just wanted to comment that they don't seem to be breeding alot (which is good). The last litter shown from these dogs on the website was two years ago. They are good looking dogs..
 

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I'm not really familiar with the dogs in the 4 generation ped (I wish they'd go further back), but what I do see is that they are producing scatterbred pups (not saying it's bad or good, just saying). Also, the dogs are UKC show dogs with some AKC AmStaff thrown in. They look scatterbred to me. But, I'm not familiar with the show dog version of a "pit bull" so sorry I can't help you out more.
 

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PitBullRoyalty said:
Don't know anything about bloodlines but just wanted to comment that they don't seem to be breeding alot (which is good). The last litter shown from these dogs on the website was two years ago. They are good looking dogs..
The parents are fixed now so they wont be having anymore pups
I got 1 from both litters and I must say they are great all around dog's
 

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Miakoda said:
I'm not really familiar with the dogs in the 4 generation ped (I wish they'd go further back), but what I do see is that they are producing scatterbred pups (not saying it's bad or good, just saying). Also, the dogs are UKC show dogs with some AKC AmStaff thrown in. They look scatterbred to me. But, I'm not familiar with the show dog version of a "pit bull" so sorry I can't help you out more.[/quote
I know what your saying and thank you for your reply. And every dog from these 2 litters went to close friends. Every now and then I get a call asking how my female is doing(We also get together on the weekends to party with everyone)and setting play dates for the pups I gotta post some pictures because it's so cute seeing all the rednose pittys running and playing :lol:
 

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I posted on this before

There are several bloodlines the dog seems to be made up of. I'm not sure what they were trying to accomplish by this breeding. Seems kind of scatterbred, your dogs sire I can't really recognize a bloodline for his topside and none of the dogs appear to have done anything, on the bottomside can't say anything about Spanky Ewing but Ewing's Five Pina Deva has a couple recognizable dogs, her sire Thor is off 2 well known dogs Coolhand Luke & CA Kellsey they go back to Tufftown lines and AKC Staff lines of Ruffian/Whiterock.Her dam is also off Thor since they did a father/daughter breeding so it'd be the samething there and I'm not sure about Going Light Bandits Bloodlines. your dogs dam seems to be better bred then the sire, CH Flash goes back to stuff from Lar San Kennels which is a lot of Tufftown blood, I don't really know about any of the others in Deuce's pedigree. Bowen's Juno is more Tufftown and staff ruffian/whiterock. Coolhand Luke & CA Kellsey were known to be good producers, they both rank in the top 10 UKC producers.

I would ask the breeders for info on the bloodlines and dogs in the pedigree. That seems like your best bet and most logical choice, they are the ones who did the breeding so they should know about the bloodlines they are using and the individual dogs.
To add to it from UKC show breeder Buenos Aires is supposed to be a fairly good kennel. Some of them seem to have been bred a lot but not produced a lot like Beunos Aires Flash producing 79 pups but only 4 having titles producing in very low percentages. CA Kellsey produced in good percentages and is one of the top 10 ranked UKC producers. It seem like the female was bred for the show ring and has a nice pedigree as far as that goes. They tend to have good temperaments good with people, dogs, also pretty smart. The sire seems to have been bred without cause, I'm thinking that perhaps his topside is gamebred or goes back to game dogs (Bull Jr is from Pat Patricks & Sorrells stuff) on his bottom side there is some of the same blood as their female show stuff. Pat dogs seem to have a lot of grit and drive, some are very nice conformationally and are very athletic. But this just makes up a small part of your dog.

If you would like to see here is the pedigree I looked it up as it sounded familar.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7806

I had a female that was down from Roccas Red Gal but she didn't work out. Anyway the Sorrells goes back to mostly E. Crenshaw.

This is what I have now
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=189396

Sire is pure E. Crenshaw but she has 1/8 Alligator out. Mine is a little brat and love attention for it. It not a popular bloodline so there isn't a lot out there to judge but to me they seem to be a little lazy if you let them be, they'll be content with that but make good workers if you put them to it. Her sire isn't the brightest but I think it might be just him, her dam, grand dam has some smarts and she does as well. This also only makes up a very small percentage.

I could try to look up the others if you like, I've never heard of the dogs but they might be in the database not sure.
 

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I posted on this before

There are several bloodlines the dog seems to be made up of. I'm not sure what they were trying to accomplish by this breeding. Seems kind of scatterbred, your dogs sire I can't really recognize a bloodline for his topside and none of the dogs appear to have done anything, on the bottomside can't say anything about Spanky Ewing but Ewing's Five Pina Deva has a couple recognizable dogs, her sire Thor is off 2 well known dogs Coolhand Luke & CA Kellsey they go back to Tufftown lines and AKC Staff lines of Ruffian/Whiterock.Her dam is also off Thor since they did a father/daughter breeding so it'd be the samething there and I'm not sure about Going Light Bandits Bloodlines. your dogs dam seems to be better bred then the sire, CH Flash goes back to stuff from Lar San Kennels which is a lot of Tufftown blood, I don't really know about any of the others in Deuce's pedigree. Bowen's Juno is more Tufftown and staff ruffian/whiterock. Coolhand Luke & CA Kellsey were known to be good producers, they both rank in the top 10 UKC producers.

I would ask the breeders for info on the bloodlines and dogs in the pedigree. That seems like your best bet and most logical choice, they are the ones who did the breeding so they should know about the bloodlines they are using and the individual dogs.
To add to it from UKC show breeder Buenos Aires is supposed to be a fairly good kennel. Some of them seem to have been bred a lot but not produced a lot like Beunos Aires Flash producing 79 pups but only 4 having titles producing in very low percentages. CA Kellsey produced in good percentages and is one of the top 10 ranked UKC producers. It seem like the female was bred for the show ring and has a nice pedigree as far as that goes. They tend to have good temperaments good with people, dogs, also pretty smart. The sire seems to have been bred without cause, I'm thinking that perhaps his topside is gamebred or goes back to game dogs (Bull Jr is from Pat Patricks & Sorrells stuff) on his bottom side there is some of the same blood as their female show stuff. Pat dogs seem to have a lot of grit and drive, some are very nice conformationally and are very athletic. But this just makes up a small part of your dog.

If you would like to see here is the pedigree I looked it up as it sounded familar.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7806

I had a female that was down from Roccas Red Gal but she didn't work out. Anyway the Sorrells goes back to mostly E. Crenshaw.

This is what I have now
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=189396

Sire is pure E. Crenshaw but she has 1/8 Alligator out. Mine is a little brat and love attention for it. It not a popular bloodline so there isn't a lot out there to judge but to me they seem to be a little lazy if you let them be, they'll be content with that but make good workers if you put them to it. Her sire isn't the brightest but I think it might be just him, her dam, grand dam has some smarts and she does as well. This also only makes up a very small percentage.

I could try to look up the others if you like, I've never heard of the dogs but they might be in the database not sure.
I do know alittle about my pups sire cause my cousin has been breeding pits since the late 80's and has worked with most of the lines he is made up of. I was out walking my dog and he seen me when he drove by then turned around and new everything about my two rednose APBT's. Right out of the blue he was like thats a Ewing's bloodline and started trying to buy them from me(He breeds some awesome dog's but most of them are for the wrong reason's) so there was no way in he*l i was ever gonna sell him my dog's
But anyway every bit of info would be great
Thank you
Justin
 

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No Prob. I'll look up some of those dogs later and see if they are in there. Right now gotta go take care of my own dogs.
 

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I got some more, a lot of it is game lines but it is really far back there.....

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=113949
Hurricane Pete Eli/Carver mostly

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=118153
Tootsie Pop more Eli/Carver with some Cassius Clay/Red Devil

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=150422
Humper pretty much the same as Tootsie Pop

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=150420
Moya only has the bottom side in there

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=11922
Red Punisher tight Old Family Red Nose & Clouse That is cool I have a great grandson of Wreckless Red

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=29336
Tan Fannie Eli/Snooty on top, can't make out what the bottom is

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7827
Georgia More Eli/Snooty on top, the bottom I can't tell you

Nothing for Brownie

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=125252
Jazzy not real sure, there is some Carver and the witherspoon goes back to Colby

Nothing for Smokey Joe or Pebbles

It looks like they used a lot of Eli/Carver for their foundation, mainly through CH Rascal
 

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I was just looking through the site, wow these dogs are pretty big 50lbs at 4 1/2 months old! Bigger then my adults. How big did yours get at adult weight?
 

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Miakoda said:
I got some more, a lot of it is game lines but it is really far back there.....
Then, IMO, it doesn't hold much weight.
I'm just trying to help then out, I never made the impression it "held much weight". What matters is whats up close, first 3 generations what those dogs have done. I already told them the dog seems scatterbred IMO several of the dogs have a common ancestery and thats all, there is also several other lines thrown in there. I did not say their dog is from game lines, that their dog is gamebred or in anyway that their dog is an Eli/Carver bred dog. Their dog is simply a pet and they love the dog no matter what its lines are or how its bred I'm pretty sure they simply wanted to know what dogs and lines are behind their dogs parents and any info as any curious owner would. I don't think they were looking for "Wow, your dog is the best bred I've ever seen, maybe you should breed it"
 

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PitBullRoyalty said:
Don't know anything about bloodlines but just wanted to comment that they don't seem to be breeding alot (which is good). The last litter shown from these dogs on the website was two years ago. They are good looking dogs..
The parents are fixed now so they wont be having anymore pups
I got 1 from both litters and I must say they are great all around dog's
That wasn't meant to be an insult or anything to them, I actually thought it was good that they didn't breed often but now I understand it's because they're fixed.
 

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I got some more, a lot of it is game lines but it is really far back there.....

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=113949
Hurricane Pete Eli/Carver mostly

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=118153
Tootsie Pop more Eli/Carver with some Cassius Clay/Red Devil

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=150422
Humper pretty much the same as Tootsie Pop

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=150420
Moya only has the bottom side in there

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=11922
Red Punisher tight Old Family Red Nose & Clouse That is cool I have a great grandson of Wreckless Red

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=29336
Tan Fannie Eli/Snooty on top, can't make out what the bottom is

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7827
Georgia More Eli/Snooty on top, the bottom I can't tell you

Nothing for Brownie

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=125252
Jazzy not real sure, there is some Carver and the witherspoon goes back to Colby

Nothing for Smokey Joe or Pebbles

It looks like they used a lot of Eli/Carver for their foundation, mainly through CH Rascal
Sorry i haven't been around so i didn't get to say thanks for all this info. And do you have any info about grapevine bloodlines ?
 

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PitBullRoyalty said:
Beatvdub said:
PitBullRoyalty said:
Don't know anything about bloodlines but just wanted to comment that they don't seem to be breeding alot (which is good). The last litter shown from these dogs on the website was two years ago. They are good looking dogs..
The parents are fixed now so they wont be having anymore pups
I got 1 from both litters and I must say they are great all around dog's
That wasn't meant to be an insult or anything to them, I actually thought it was good that they didn't breed often but now I understand it's because they're fixed.
Im sorry if that sounded mean i didn't want it too :(
 

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Your welcome, well I can check peds online for that stuff too but I think its mostly blue dogs, going back to watch dog blood and blue bully. I know a coupe people that had it, they were larger dogs (not giant though) just in the 50-70lbs range. Some were blue and some not.
 

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Your welcome, well I can check peds online for that stuff too but I think its mostly blue dogs, going back to watch dog blood and blue bully. I know a coupe people that had it, they were larger dogs (not giant though) just in the 50-70lbs range. Some were blue and some not.
That would be great if you would
 

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what does that 4XW or 2XW mean next to their names in the pedigree. never seen that.
It stands for the # of matches won i.e. 4xw= Four Time Winner (after 3 matches ones is a Champion) and 2xw= Two Time Winner. After 5 wins is a Grand Champion so you might see some that say GR CH 7xw or something, if a dog loses though it can't usually ever be considered a Grand Champion so you may also see some that say CH 8xw sometimes like CH Rascal.
 
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