[Drakoshuman]

A long line is used as a leash. A tie out is what's used to stake your dog in your yard. I use long lines daily. Tie outs, not so much. Care needs to be taken with tie outs. I only use one when I'm close by to keep an eye on my dogs.

 

[cocoa_dad]

A long line is used as a leash. A tie out is what's used to stake your dog in your yard. I use long lines daily. Tie outs, not so much. Care needs to be taken with tie outs. I only use one when I'm close by to keep an eye on my dogs.

Thanks for the advice.

I will try that.

CCD

 

[maryellen]

yep what Drako said.. you can find long leashes at your local tractor supply or farm supply store, or petco/petsmart. you can also make a flirt pole to exercise her, (a stick with rope attached and a stuffed animal or sock attached to the rope and you stand in one place and swing it around and dog chases it lol)

or you can also find a hiking group in your area that has dogs going on the hikes, and hike with them too, we do it every sunday and sometimes we get 19 people plus their dogs ,its great for socializing and being outside and the dog gets super tired after lol

 

[Julia]

At the dog park in our town the last month a woman, who's dog had gone their all the time and never showed any aggression to anyone in his entire live ripped open the side of a dog who tried to take his ball. Turns out he was toy aggressive and no one had ever seen it.

Many dog injuries happen at the park and I just couldn't afford the vet bills. So Hoss only goes when there is no other dogs or when he is with my son's dog. Better save the sorry. I can't imagine Hoss showing aggression ever, but maybe I am just lucky to never trigger it.

 

[tt557]

Putting the dogs aside, dog parks are filthy! That alone would keep me out.

When I want Omi to run and go nuts - I wait till late at night and take her to the local HS football field (I walk her first of course!).

I tried the 20' leads but she would get tangled and then try to chew herself free LOL

 

[cocoa_dad]

i was in pa last weekend and we took cj and cocoa to the park. there was only one other family their a father teaching his son basketball (cant wait for that part of life)

so mom is at the slide and jungle gym with cj and i went to the big field and threw a nerf football around for cocoa off leash.


she had a blast but i can tell that she needs more training because when i would tell her to come she would look at me an then take off. then come, then take off. lol not to far away where i couldn't get her but far enough to be a smart a$$ lol.

as soon as people started to show up i put her back on the leash. it did feel good to let her run around for a while.

 

[zenbudokai]

Ok since you quoted me I will reply......



First off, 30 yards would take all of 5 seconds to get to. Yeah that is a long time and much damage can happen.

However, I can guarantee my dog would roll. I have seen it far too often. She is absolutely positively submissive to other dogs. I required that of her. Yeah that could cause some issues with another vicious dog attacking her but like I said I pay attention to my dog and others. It isn't hard to see who the problem makers are going to be at a dog park.

Most dogs are not going to attack if a dog is submissive to them. But yes if Lucy was truly attacked I have no idea how she would react. If some dog managed to attack her then that is a failure on my part.

I guess I am some miracle worker or something with my dog. When I got Lucy, I did a lot of socialization. During socialization, any dominant or aggressive behavior was corrected. She learned from a very young age that dominant behavior was not acceptable with any dog or human. She is submissive.

But I guess you guys are correct because she could just snap and attack another dog. Just like I hear about all the APBTs I see on TV. Maybe the BSL is correct. :roll:

I am not going to argue this anymore but I am glad all the bulldog owners believe fully that their dogs can't be trained and socialized in a way that allows them to be around other dogs.

Sorry, but this has to be said. NO DOG! And I mean NO Dog can be trusted in the manner in which you are describing. It is not reliable and no, you cannot predict what your dog will ultimately do in a combative situation. As an example, some years ago when my rottie still sucked air, my wife and I were walking him on one the trails around here, on a leash of course and always. Low and behold comes strolling from the other direction is some incompetent maroon with two medium dogs not on a leash. Here comes trouble, I knew without thinking that his dogs were going to act fools and sure enough they did. My dog is under control so that was okay. I pointed out to the dunce that this would not have happened if his dogs were trained and on a leash. His pathetic I am special, look at me response was that he was training his dogs to be civilized like humans to walk freely. He was too ignorant to realize that my 150 lb. rottie would have made reeces pieces of his tramps.

As far as the bully breeds go, do not ignore well known fact just because they are so sweet. There is a switch, who is going to flip it?

 

[zenbudokai]

What are people's opinions of boxers, boston terriers, and english bulldogs at dog parks?



Personally I hate all dog parks and think they are the worst thing ever, but I am curious if people would apply the same unwritten rule to the above 'softened' bully breeds.

I only have some limited experience with Boston Terriers when I was in grade school. A neighbor gave us their adult dog when they moved. He was really hurt by that for a little while. He then discovered his favorite play pretty, a wooden swing bench hanging from, get this, a real planted in the ground swing set. He would run, jump up and grab it in his jaws and swing back and forth for ever and ever till he was bleeding from the mouth.

I have no bad memories of him but my parents got rid of him because they said that he bit my younger brother. I didn't see it so I call fabrication, and even if so, my brother deserved it 10 times over.

Other than that, I have a neighbor down the street that sometimes puts hers out front on a chain when she sits out. They are Terriers so they are a bit high strung.

 

[zenbudokai]

So true. Great informative message. I do not allow my dog to play with any other dog unsupervised. I brought my dog as a pup thinking it was good to socialize him with other dogs since he was young and did not show any dog aggression. But that was a mistake. Never trust a APBT not to fight. Besides that, there are irresponsible owners there. A rott got jealous because its owner was petting my dog and the rott charged aggressively at my dog (pit mix). My dog was only 7 months at that time & did not back down. Luckily the rott was just putting up a front and backed off. I had my dog leashed at that time because I was leaving. Never again will I take that risk by going to a dog park or beach. The whole time, the owner of the rott stood there & had no control over her dog

Just to make a point here, do not believe that if your dog is a bully or pit or whatever that they are automatically going to end the fight. My rottie, while he still sucked air upon this rock, was quite large, 150 lbs. and he could scrap. Never started it but so what. On with the tale. My neighbor owned a pit and she would let him run the streets, I watched him terrorize the neighborhood dogs. One day while I was sitting out front with my dog, who is chained, the offending creature trotted up with wicked humor in his eyes, that was it. Tater was on top and the next thing we saw was this unconscious lifeless sack of crap on the ground. Dogs will be dogs, you cannot not change that.

 

[zenbudokai]

Ok, I have owned many dogs ( i work at the local SPCA in montreal) and i have seen what bull types can do.. but i also seen what Akita's, german sheppards, labs, goldens, heck even a poodle can do.

it don't matter if you're dog is from any breed, if you're dog a stupid dog and thinks he owns the world, then just keep him at home.

Dog parks are great place..............For dogs. not for ppl.
Ppl are stupid, ppl think they know best... let you dog decide, if she acts up. then she's not ment to play in the dog park when doggie X is in there.

hell, if you put 20 different type of ppl in a closed space and they are good manered ppl, there's bound to have scuffles.

And im sorry, but i don't believe in the killer gene in dogs. If you think they have it because of there past history.. just look at the human history.
were monsters compared to these 4 legged bundle of wrinkly goodness.

that's my 2 canadian cents

so thats like 1.3 american cents hehehehe

I thought this was a doggie place. Don't get me started on humans.

 

[zenbudokai]

i would like to set this one straight once and for all, both sides have valid points, on one side, is is true that this boston bulldog could be submissive and not a problem...it happens, some dogs just have those personalities, just like people, and some bulldogs will fight and get upset...all personalities are different, people are all different, as well as dogs...nothing here is absolute...not all bulldogs will fight, not all will submit...period...but the one truth i think we could all maybe agree on, is who could predict that...who could know for sure what will or will not happen...to take the chance is up to the individual...i had a bully lab that was no major threat, sure she would scrap once in a while, but not a killer...now my new bull-boxer...whos to say

More directly to the point, it is unfair to other dogs and yours as well as the hairless apes that follow them around. Look at it this way, even due to the fact that your dog is either super macho camacho or just plain ole wimpy, he or she will get hurt and it will cost no small change. Don't be selfish, don't just let things happen, prevention, prevention, prevention. Accidents don't just happen, they are caused!

 

[zenbudokai]

The "yet" in this story, (and I truely hpoe that I am wrong) is the fact that she is only 8 months and no matter the type of "Bully" you have, they do change as they approach 10-16 months. I am sure that you are, just be cauctious if you keep anttending. :|

It may take a little longer for that to come around. My bully, the dufus clown, is so childish in thought that it took him two years before he hiked his leg and just over three years before I first saw the flicker in his head. He reinforced my visual hallucination by showing aggression and needing a muzzle for the first time at his last yearly at the vet. I didn't need that to know but there it was.

 

[zenbudokai]

Ive owned 3 pitbulls now over the past 11 years ,honestly my mix is super dog aggressive and shes the most well behaved dog Ive evermet ,my two pure breds though they havent shown any signs of aggressiveness towards each other .I would never put my babies in the line of fire .dog parks are not a great idea..any dog can be aggressive but if youve ever seen a bullbreed get pissed and go all out on another dog youll understand more ...I dont know how fast that dude can run but at 30 yards from his dog he aint stopping anything ..jesse owens couldnt get there quick enough.most altercations that ive seen are fully involved in about 2 seconds .i worked up in freeport NY where there are MANY irresponsible pitbull owners and have seen them get into it ...its fast ,period .why risk your dog and anyone elses for that matter...I love the breed I dont ever put my dogs in harms way ,they are well trained and my brindle is somewhat submissive ,i see the way my boys play and would never want them involved in the real thing ,and to be honest ,if your bully breed hurts another dog its in the news in seconds and its more bad press for the responsible owner

Freaking hilarious, 30 yards away? Assuming that you aren't just a layabout with a little wind in your lungs, do you actually think that when you reach the spot where it started that it will still be there? Ain't no slow motion, stop time.

 

[zenbudokai]

As the owner of two boxers and a “bulldog” (I’ll never get why people insist on calling them “english bulldogs” and not just Bulldogs as they are. Yes they descended from England but they are Bulldogs. That’s another gripe for another day…) that I take to the dog park on a regular basis, I must say that the dog park is a great place for MY dogs to go. When I say MY, that means I have no clue if anyone else’s dogs have had the training that all dogs require to become well socialized members of society or even training as extensive as mine. I’m not saying, “ nana nana boo boo, my dogs are better than yours”. I just know that before we decided to use the dog park for our dogs to play, we made sure they were trained.

A dog park, IMHO, should not be used as a socialization tool for anything other than puppies! One cannot expect to take their adult dog to the dog park for the first time and have an instantly socialized dog….that is just asking for trouble.

The reason I know my dogs are safe at the park? They have all had basic, off leash and advanced obedience (Chevy is in advanced at this time). Camo and Maddie both have their CGC and Camo is a certified therapy dog. They all go to their trainer once a week and we continue the training at home. 5 minutes a day at home and an hour and thirty minutes a week with their trainer. Maddie gets her energy out with her agility and fly ball classes as well. Maddie has a TON of energy to burn.

We have also had right at 113 foster dogs live with us in the past few years. Some were dog aggressive, so were extremely shy….out of all of them, not one time did a fight break out. Why, because I watch them, I read their body language and know when someone has had enough. So, yes I feel very comfortable letting them go to an off leash park and we go quite often.

The park has separated areas for different sized dogs and the people there are always friendly. Yes, you have the occasional whack job that doesn’t watch their dog(s) but if that happens we just up and leave.

I can say, at least for my pack, that they are extremely well behaved at the dog park. They would never be one to start a fight…even if provoked. I can call them down and they obey. That is a quality of a well-trained dog. My point is that not all dogs can be grouped as dangerous because of their breed...mine certainly are not.

Just my two cents…

Yep, just like that jarhead who offed those squids on the rifle range was trained. Who would've thunk it?

 

[zenbudokai]

Wow, at least someone likes me I'm not sure if I'm cracked up for this forum...people (i.e. adults) should just agree to disagree on certain topics. Then move on with your life...there are too many good things to talk about rather than arguing over silly crap.

BTW, thanks [/QUOTE


Blindly creating damage to property and loved ones just to hold your ground can hardly be called silly crap. Very selfish point of view, never were a Boy Scout were you.

 

[DrHarmony]

wow...


To judge someone for taking their bully to the dog park is in my mind absurd.
I have something to tell you....I give free hugs.

Taking your dog to the dog park does not make you an idiot, uneducated, or a spokesperson for breed specific laws.

I thank you QueenKoppa for your subtle warning and respect for not putting off like/assuming I am an idiot because I frequent public areas with my dog. (other thread)

I would not say a good read, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[oznog]

Some dogs can handle dog parks. Unfortunately, my dog is not overly accepting of strange dogs and we go to great lengths to avoid contact with other dogs when we are out in public places. I was hopeful that she would mellow out as she aged, but it is not going to happen.
Owners need to make their own decisions and be prepared to deal with what happens. I am 100% sure that if a bully mixes it up with a non bully breed that the bully will always get the blame no matter what the facts really are in the situation.

 

[oznog]

Duplicate post. Smart phone and dumb operator.

 

[gazar]

This is a "hot" topic with different view points. All I can say is that we have had many
members who have taken their dog to a dog park and then came on telling us of the
issues they faced.

I never put full trust in any dog to not attack another dog if the circumstances arose.
In some areas, if a pitbull were to be involved, the city would call for it to be put down. That is not a chance to be taken.

As oznog said, Owners need to make their own decisions and be prepared to deal with what happens. So many times they were not prepared.