So you realize that fights happen & yet you still allow your dog to participate. Just remember that when it's YOUR dog in the next fight, they WILL blame it all on your "bloodthirsty, viscious pit bull" & YOU will take the fall. And then "pit bulls" won't be allowed at the dog park anymore, & then a state senator will propose BSL & then it will get passed, & then the rest of us "pit bull" owners will be mad at you for being an irresponsible owner & chosing to look the other way. If you don't like the history of these breeds or the subsequent dog aggression trait, pick a new one.valleygrls98 said:
Bulldog Breeds and Dog Parks don't mix.
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thats so dumb
so your saying we should allow our dogs to play and socialize a park off the leash if its allowed .. number one if you have socialized your dog proper there shouldnt be a problem number 2. always keep a eye on your dog . number 3 it really doesnt matter if that is a trait in your dog there is a theory that states i cant remmber who proved it but training your dog will not allow that trait to show
so your saying we should allow our dogs to play and socialize a park off the leash if its allowed .. number one if you have socialized your dog proper there shouldnt be a problem number 2. always keep a eye on your dog . number 3 it really doesnt matter if that is a trait in your dog there is a theory that states i cant remmber who proved it but training your dog will not allow that trait to show
American Bulldog
I have been bringing my AB to dog parks since he was a small pup. We walk daily at a nearby conservation park with 25 other dogs of all breeds, all leashless. I have never seen any aggression with any of them. My AB is one of the most passive out of the whole group. I can even leave the window open in my van and people passing by have reached there hand in to pet him with no problems what so ever. He is great with kids and cats and loves attension with people. I have met other AB's that tend to be aggressive and overprotective but I feel it has to do with under socializing. I keep in contact with his Uncle and he has the same disposition.
I have been bringing my AB to dog parks since he was a small pup. We walk daily at a nearby conservation park with 25 other dogs of all breeds, all leashless. I have never seen any aggression with any of them. My AB is one of the most passive out of the whole group. I can even leave the window open in my van and people passing by have reached there hand in to pet him with no problems what so ever. He is great with kids and cats and loves attension with people. I have met other AB's that tend to be aggressive and overprotective but I feel it has to do with under socializing. I keep in contact with his Uncle and he has the same disposition.
My 1st visit to a dog park
I didn't know there was such a thing, at least in Little Rock. I assumed they were a big city deal for apartment dwellers. Well I found out there is one here at a city park on the Ark River. My wife and I were out to see the Big Dam Bridge ( http://www.bigdambridge.com ) and stumbled across the dog park. It is a nice facility, a large area maybe 2 acres in size and a separate smaller area probably for puppies, all fenced. The posted rules didn't forbid any breeds but: required all owners to clean up after their dog, no children under ?? allowed, the city wasn't responsible for any injuries, etc. We parked and observed the interaction of people and dogs for about 20 minutes. There were several folks standing in a group visiting, there was a lady and her young daughter sitting at a picnic table with their border collie playing close, there was a young couple doing retriever work with their German Short Haired Pointer, and a few others scattered. There was a GSD, a Bassett, and a Lab running around as a pack; they sniffed everybody and every dog that entered. The young daughter threw a frisbee for the border collie, it was caught, and as it headed back to it's owners, the 3 dog "pack" took off after it. They sorta cornered it under the picnic table (and under the feet of the B collie's owners). There was so much noise, that every other un-leashed dog headed that way, even the apparently well trained GSH pointer. All the visiting owners headed to the spot to collect their pooches. I thought the dog park was to provide a large area for an owner and dog to play/interact, or to introduce their leashed dogs to each other and guide the reactions, not a place to just turn'em loose(probably like they do their kids at a playground. I applauded the owner's that had their dogs on leashes.
There wasn't actually an attack, but I decided Sassy wouldn't be playing at this place.
I didn't know there was such a thing, at least in Little Rock. I assumed they were a big city deal for apartment dwellers. Well I found out there is one here at a city park on the Ark River. My wife and I were out to see the Big Dam Bridge ( http://www.bigdambridge.com ) and stumbled across the dog park. It is a nice facility, a large area maybe 2 acres in size and a separate smaller area probably for puppies, all fenced. The posted rules didn't forbid any breeds but: required all owners to clean up after their dog, no children under ?? allowed, the city wasn't responsible for any injuries, etc. We parked and observed the interaction of people and dogs for about 20 minutes. There were several folks standing in a group visiting, there was a lady and her young daughter sitting at a picnic table with their border collie playing close, there was a young couple doing retriever work with their German Short Haired Pointer, and a few others scattered. There was a GSD, a Bassett, and a Lab running around as a pack; they sniffed everybody and every dog that entered. The young daughter threw a frisbee for the border collie, it was caught, and as it headed back to it's owners, the 3 dog "pack" took off after it. They sorta cornered it under the picnic table (and under the feet of the B collie's owners). There was so much noise, that every other un-leashed dog headed that way, even the apparently well trained GSH pointer. All the visiting owners headed to the spot to collect their pooches. I thought the dog park was to provide a large area for an owner and dog to play/interact, or to introduce their leashed dogs to each other and guide the reactions, not a place to just turn'em loose(probably like they do their kids at a playground. I applauded the owner's that had their dogs on leashes.
There wasn't actually an attack, but I decided Sassy wouldn't be playing at this place.
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Hey Tycosales...there is also a DogPark directly across the river from that one in Burns Park.
I used to take Orson to the one in LR when he was a puppy, but
decided not to take him back after this "pack" of 3 boxers kept
fighting with each other and their owner didnt stop them.
Puppy Orson just wanted to get in on the action, i thought even if he
is a puppy he is learning the wrong way to interact.
And yes, the owners do just let the dogs go "willy nilly", the park
is their excuse for dog exercise :roll: and owners excuse to
chit-chat!
I used to take Orson to the one in LR when he was a puppy, but
decided not to take him back after this "pack" of 3 boxers kept
fighting with each other and their owner didnt stop them.
Puppy Orson just wanted to get in on the action, i thought even if he
is a puppy he is learning the wrong way to interact.
And yes, the owners do just let the dogs go "willy nilly", the park
is their excuse for dog exercise :roll: and owners excuse to
chit-chat!
where i use to live
in oregon we had a mountain called mt. tabor it was mostly know for being the dog park where u didnt have to have your dog leashed and they had fountains for your dog to drink and i never ever saw a dog fight and there was all types of breeds of dogs there and i also had my first in counter with american bulldog gorgeous dog in the world , but this was a place to let your dog socialize and everyone was responsible for there dog
in oregon we had a mountain called mt. tabor it was mostly know for being the dog park where u didnt have to have your dog leashed and they had fountains for your dog to drink and i never ever saw a dog fight and there was all types of breeds of dogs there and i also had my first in counter with american bulldog gorgeous dog in the world , but this was a place to let your dog socialize and everyone was responsible for there dog
I love going to the dog park, it's great. I have an uber-mutt who has topped out at about 35 pounds and just likes to run around the area like crazy and have other dogs chase her.
Once a person did bring a pitbull to the park, but it was kept on the leash for most of the time until the end. Even then the dog didn't bother with anyone else. I trust the other people to have raised good dogs. I don't live in a horrible area where people could care less about their dogs. I am going to try setting up a playdate for her during one of the half days when everyone is gone with a friends dog, which seems to be the way to go.
In summary, I like dog parks. But the main factor is to use common sense when deciding if your dog should go.
Once a person did bring a pitbull to the park, but it was kept on the leash for most of the time until the end. Even then the dog didn't bother with anyone else. I trust the other people to have raised good dogs. I don't live in a horrible area where people could care less about their dogs. I am going to try setting up a playdate for her during one of the half days when everyone is gone with a friends dog, which seems to be the way to go.
In summary, I like dog parks. But the main factor is to use common sense when deciding if your dog should go.
I agree to a point
Dog Parks have a down point. Us responsible people bring our dogs to a Vet when they are sick. My dog has got kennel cough from sharing the same water and cost me money and I don't like giving my guy meds. I got over it and so did he.I keep hearing about problems but I haven't seen any yet. Zeus likes to do the pounce on other dogs but he never hurts them. The Jacks get the best of him but he just shakes them off. He makes sure he steals the balls and sticks from the other dogs but he eventually gives them up. He will tease any dog that confronts him but they end up being his friend in the end. But be aware AB's and Parks don't mix. B.S.! from what you can see from the pic he has an evil side, im trying to control it but it's tatoo'd on his head.
Dog Parks have a down point. Us responsible people bring our dogs to a Vet when they are sick. My dog has got kennel cough from sharing the same water and cost me money and I don't like giving my guy meds. I got over it and so did he.I keep hearing about problems but I haven't seen any yet. Zeus likes to do the pounce on other dogs but he never hurts them. The Jacks get the best of him but he just shakes them off. He makes sure he steals the balls and sticks from the other dogs but he eventually gives them up. He will tease any dog that confronts him but they end up being his friend in the end. But be aware AB's and Parks don't mix. B.S.! from what you can see from the pic he has an evil side, im trying to control it but it's tatoo'd on his head.
once and for all
i would like to set this one straight once and for all, both sides have valid points, on one side, is is true that this boston bulldog could be submissive and not a problem...it happens, some dogs just have those personalities, just like people, and some bulldogs will fight and get upset...all personalities are different, people are all different, as well as dogs...nothing here is absolute...not all bulldogs will fight, not all will submit...period...but the one truth i think we could all maybe agree on, is who could predict that...who could know for sure what will or will not happen...to take the chance is up to the individual...i had a bully lab that was no major threat, sure she would scrap once in a while, but not a killer...now my new bull-boxer...whos to say
i would like to set this one straight once and for all, both sides have valid points, on one side, is is true that this boston bulldog could be submissive and not a problem...it happens, some dogs just have those personalities, just like people, and some bulldogs will fight and get upset...all personalities are different, people are all different, as well as dogs...nothing here is absolute...not all bulldogs will fight, not all will submit...period...but the one truth i think we could all maybe agree on, is who could predict that...who could know for sure what will or will not happen...to take the chance is up to the individual...i had a bully lab that was no major threat, sure she would scrap once in a while, but not a killer...now my new bull-boxer...whos to say
Dog parks
I stop in here from time to time just to see what is going on. This topic amazes me. I'm really not trying to be little anyone or talk down to you but I truly believe that just anyone should not be able to own these breeds. Most have no idea what they are capable of and how quick it can happen or how to separate them when it happens. I doubt most would know what a parting/break stick is. In years past some top champion combat dogs didn't turn on till 3 years old or later.
Some AB's can become very ruff and dog dominate/aggressive; a 100# AB can do very serious damage in just a few seconds and then let some folks start screaming and hollering and watch the dog turn on more. I don't doubt that many people have been to dog parks and had no trouble. As some one mentioned they had seen several bloody fights with lab and JRT types. Wait till you see a pit get on one at a dog park and be focused on the task it will be a site you will not soon forget and pray the other dog is not a pit or bulldog.
I have known pit that were great pets for years and that one time the wrong dog challenged it and that was all it took. So be very careful and pay attention to your dog learn to read your dog so you know what’s going on. Stay close and if you do not know how to separate them when they get hooked up find out it can be very difficult.
I stop in here from time to time just to see what is going on. This topic amazes me. I'm really not trying to be little anyone or talk down to you but I truly believe that just anyone should not be able to own these breeds. Most have no idea what they are capable of and how quick it can happen or how to separate them when it happens. I doubt most would know what a parting/break stick is. In years past some top champion combat dogs didn't turn on till 3 years old or later.
Some AB's can become very ruff and dog dominate/aggressive; a 100# AB can do very serious damage in just a few seconds and then let some folks start screaming and hollering and watch the dog turn on more. I don't doubt that many people have been to dog parks and had no trouble. As some one mentioned they had seen several bloody fights with lab and JRT types. Wait till you see a pit get on one at a dog park and be focused on the task it will be a site you will not soon forget and pray the other dog is not a pit or bulldog.
I have known pit that were great pets for years and that one time the wrong dog challenged it and that was all it took. So be very careful and pay attention to your dog learn to read your dog so you know what’s going on. Stay close and if you do not know how to separate them when they get hooked up find out it can be very difficult.
do what you want with your dog(s). I bring Zero to leashless parks and he plays and sometimes he just has fun on his own. A Tibetan Mastiff I'd estimate around 250 lbs attacked Zero and there was a fight but I was there to pull my dog off and the TibMast's owner started hitting my dog. Bad idea! The next fight was between him and I and if I was as much an irresponsible owner as he was that would have been his last day at any park.. On a brighter note I've seen pits, bullies do great if there is any breed that shouldn't be there it's the Tibetan Mastiffs as I have read that they are THE most aggressive breed on Earth (although beautiful).
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I have an AB and we take him to the dog park all the time. He has been bitten 2 times: once by a AB/Pitbull mix and another time by a Pitbull. My dog was only trying to play with the others and they got upset and bit him (and they did indeed draw blood). My dog would NEVER hurt another pup, he just doesn't have it in him. I wish he did because he tends to get beat up a lot there but it is very important to socialize your dogs from a young age if you want to be able to have the dog around others without him getting upset. By not taking your dogs to the dog park you help feed the bad stigmas that go along with the breed. I owned a Pitbull when I was younger and he acted the way I told him to (meaning if I liked you he was okay and if not he WAS trained to attack on command...no we didn't train him that way but my father got him for me for protection as we lived in a bad neighborhood in AZ). The other dogs that bit mine were older (mine is only 9 months) and probably weren't socialized very much as pups. Also the owner of the AB/Pit mix proceeded to tell me about steroids I could get and give to my dog to make him bigger (hence his owner may have had something to do with the dog's bad disposition). If you are paying attention to your dog and being responsible for his actions nothing bad should happen given he has been around other dogs for awhile.
And before anyone gives me crap for taking my dog to a dog park where he gets bit repeatedly, we don't go to that dog park anymore. We have since found a nicer one where people actually watch their dogs.
And before anyone gives me crap for taking my dog to a dog park where he gets bit repeatedly, we don't go to that dog park anymore. We have since found a nicer one where people actually watch their dogs.
No Dogpark for our future!!
Haitis recently developed an aggressiveness to all other dogs that aren't in his own pack. He is only 7 months old now but today we returned for a refresher intermediate class at our Petsmart training center. He was lunging and growling/snapping at any dog within close range.
No matter breed, color, or sex. At one point he was lunging and growling but still had his tail wagging. :? Other times he had very dominate posture. My trainer tried encouraging me to keep him in our present class and also enroll him in Doggie Daycare. She wonders if he might act differently at a Daycare when I wasn't around him but I don't have much faith in that.
I wish I could socialize this characteristic out of him but I won't risk having him attack any other dog, and I don't like the way (some) people looked at him today when he briefly became assertive in their presence. I tried to tell them he was just a pup, more like a teenage boy but I could still feel their stares.
I know I did well making sure all encounters he had with other dogs were as postive as possible, as a young pup. This recent negative disposition and posture in the presence of any strange dog must just come from instinct because he has been neutered since he was 4 months old so I've ruled out sexual maturity.
I can live with this, I guess and be a responsible owner, but it truly breaks my heart because I wanted him to be a socialble boy. I'll probably discontiue his Petsmart training and seek private lessons which can still be rewarding for both of us.
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You tried to socialize him, that's all you can do. And every dog IS diffferent. I didn't mean all dogs will overcome aggressiveness if you socialize them. And even though my dog is still pretty young he may end up the same way, not being able to be around others. We did the Petsmart classes too (the Puppy ones). After class 6 we decided not to return. We are now going to an actual dog behaviorist and after only 5 classes our dog is significantly better. I didn't like Petsmart because they don't work on your dog individually. Our new trainer addresses our dog's individual problems and he does a behavior analysis before you even enroll him in class. Petsmart just has a different mindset of what a dog should be and how a dog thinks than our new trainer does. But good luck!
I've owned a pit bull as a child and even at that age I knew that pit bulls off leash with other dogs (small or large or dominant or aggressive) was a big no no.
Although he was pretty social around most dogs he did show some signs of aggression around other (never really knew why he was with some and not others).
As an adult I'm fully aware that pit bulls are born with some latent animal aggression and although you may think you have the most social, submissive, non aggressive pit bull ever born to a bitch all it takes is one incident to remind you what these dogs were bred for and what they are capable of doing.
I never understood how anyone could go to a dark park with a dog aggressive, dominant breed (Akitas, Bull dog breeds, Shar-pei, etc) off lead and act shocked when there's an altercation between their dog and another.
It's just owners being ignorant and irresponsible and puts all of those trying to do right by the breed in a tougher situation.
Like someone said earlier, you can go to the park hundreds of times without an incident but as soon as one arises (and trust me, one day it will arise) you're going to have a very sobering life experience that might've been preventable.
Although he was pretty social around most dogs he did show some signs of aggression around other (never really knew why he was with some and not others).
As an adult I'm fully aware that pit bulls are born with some latent animal aggression and although you may think you have the most social, submissive, non aggressive pit bull ever born to a bitch all it takes is one incident to remind you what these dogs were bred for and what they are capable of doing.
I never understood how anyone could go to a dark park with a dog aggressive, dominant breed (Akitas, Bull dog breeds, Shar-pei, etc) off lead and act shocked when there's an altercation between their dog and another.
It's just owners being ignorant and irresponsible and puts all of those trying to do right by the breed in a tougher situation.
Like someone said earlier, you can go to the park hundreds of times without an incident but as soon as one arises (and trust me, one day it will arise) you're going to have a very sobering life experience that might've been preventable.
What it boils down to is-know your dog. If you have an agressive dog KNOW IT! Don't try to socialize a 4yr old agressive dominate dog...it wont turn out pretty. If you have a well rounded dog then GREAT, but continue to re-enforce good behavior so your dog doesn't become 'that dog'.
I own 3 Boxers that are TOTALLY different. I KNOW this. Xander (the oldest of all three and Male) is as laid back as they come. He loves all people and animals and will love on about everything! I can take him ANYWHERE and feel safe that he will be the best behaved dog there. Bailey (the 'middle child' and only Female) is dominate. She can get female agressive so I know not to take her to most public places. My puppy I am still socializing. He is very curious and it sometimes looks like he will become agressive, but others he is a sweetheart like my Xan-Man. I will know his nature as he gets older...for now he gets socialized and corrected for wrong behavior.
I own 3 Boxers that are TOTALLY different. I KNOW this. Xander (the oldest of all three and Male) is as laid back as they come. He loves all people and animals and will love on about everything! I can take him ANYWHERE and feel safe that he will be the best behaved dog there. Bailey (the 'middle child' and only Female) is dominate. She can get female agressive so I know not to take her to most public places. My puppy I am still socializing. He is very curious and it sometimes looks like he will become agressive, but others he is a sweetheart like my Xan-Man. I will know his nature as he gets older...for now he gets socialized and corrected for wrong behavior.
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