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This is SO frustrating, and I am wondering if anyone else has had this problem.

We work on "come here" everyday for at least 15minutes. We leave her pinch collar and leash on when outside, so if she doesn't come when called we try to correct her, but as soon as we grab the leash she decides to come.

I know she knows the command, but do you have any other good solutions.

We practice in our backyard, front yard and places with distraction. She will do fantastic, then we get home and it is like she forgets, or it takes her a long while to respond. We give her a treat and LOTS of praise when she does it, but she is
SO stubborn. Are we doing something wrong? This is our only training obstacle, she is great otherwise.
 

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timing is everything.

First off, when your dog knows the command and does not comply, it is a sign of disrespect. Secondly, it is a sign of inconsitancy of training on your part. Third, you are not rewarding EVERY time he comes. It does not mean he does not love you. However, those three things are true.

A bulldog is not a malinois or a border collie. They are stubborn. Repetition is the key word, more so than other breeds. They don't think. They respond. You can use this to train them or bash your head against a dead end. :)

If a bulldog knows there is a HUGE reward when you say "come" why would he not? Do you have a piece of weiner hidden in your pocket for him?

Prepare to succeed........not fail. Have that reward ready. Because timing and when you give that reward makes your dog very fast on the recall or sluggish like a bug.
NEVER EVER CALL YOUR DOG IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A REWARD FOR HIM. Once he gets used to doing it with speed (because he is sooooo used to it) then tell him to sit. Progressively, you ask him to do more and more for a reward. With a bulldog, after awhile, whenever you call him, he will be messmerized. You do this from 8 weeks on...........the dog will be FIXATED on you. That is imprinting. REally, that is the only difference between a trainer and a pet owner. Consistancy and timing of rewards. Simple.

THERE IS NO WAY YOUR DOG WILL NOT COME with reward, unless there is a distraction. This is where a bit of compulsion or pinch comes in or e- collar. It reminds him that you are the boss......pay attention.
Many people think a pinch collar is used to FORCE A DOG to do what you want. NO!!!!! On a very tough dog, a pinch collar, used incorrectly, will make that dog "crawl up the line" and take you to the hospital. Thank goodness 99% are not like this. It is used as friendly reminder. In many cases, like using an e- collar, the dog is taught how to turn the stimulus off. AND THE DOG HAS NO ISSUES WITH YOU THE HANDLER.

Let me ask you a question. If you were a dog.........would you come to a human being (even if you are the owner), who cranks on a pinch and causes you pain? Issues. I see this all the time. This causes handler sensitivity. More issues.

Timing of rewards CREATES A VERY VERY FAST RESPONSE IN A DOG. Fast obedience is NOT created by you jerking on the pinch collar.

Change your mindset. Training time is REWARD time. Dogs go nuts. Training time should not be "do as I say or you get corrected".

I hope this helps. "prepare to succeed"

REWARD - anything your dog goes ape nuts for. For most it is food. Use it. Why not use the biggest training tool you have?
Trust me. Most bulldogs like your pat on the head, but many will kill for a peice of weiner. LOL!

Good luck.

I know bulldog training is hard. Change your mindset. Turn it into a game of wits. Think about WHY should he come QUICKLY?
 

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Re: timing is everything.

PeterC said:
First off, when your dog knows the command and does not comply, it is a sign of disrespect. Secondly, it is a sign of inconsitancy of training on your part. Third, you are not rewarding EVERY time he comes. It does not mean he does not love you. However, those three things are true.

A bulldog is not a malinois or a border collie. They are stubborn. Repetition is the key word, more so than other breeds. They don't think. They respond. You can use this to train them or bash your head against a dead end. :)

If a bulldog knows there is a HUGE reward when you say "come" why would he not? Do you have a piece of weiner hidden in your pocket for him?

Prepare to succeed........not fail. Have that reward ready. Because timing and when you give that reward makes your dog very fast on the recall or sluggish like a bug.
NEVER EVER CALL YOUR DOG IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A REWARD FOR HIM. Once he gets used to doing it with speed (because he is sooooo used to it) then tell him to sit. Progressively, you ask him to do more and more for a reward. With a bulldog, after awhile, whenever you call him, he will be messmerized. You do this from 8 weeks on...........the dog will be FIXATED on you. That is imprinting. REally, that is the only difference between a trainer and a pet owner. Consistancy and timing of rewards. Simple.

THERE IS NO WAY YOUR DOG WILL NOT COME with reward, unless there is a distraction. This is where a bit of compulsion or pinch comes in or e- collar. It reminds him that you are the boss......pay attention.
Many people think a pinch collar is used to FORCE A DOG to do what you want. NO!!!!! On a very tough dog, a pinch collar, used incorrectly, will make that dog "crawl up the line" and take you to the hospital. Thank goodness 99% are not like this. It is used as friendly reminder. In many cases, like using an e- collar, the dog is taught how to turn the stimulus off. AND THE DOG HAS NO ISSUES WITH YOU THE HANDLER.

Let me ask you a question. If you were a dog.........would you come to a human being (even if you are the owner), who cranks on a pinch and causes you pain? Issues. I see this all the time. This causes handler sensitivity. More issues.

Timing of rewards CREATES A VERY VERY FAST RESPONSE IN A DOG. Fast obedience is NOT created by you jerking on the pinch collar.

Change your mindset. Training time is REWARD time. Dogs go nuts. Training time should not be "do as I say or you get corrected".

I hope this helps. "prepare to succeed"

Good luck.

I know bulldog training is hard. Change your mindset. Turn it into a game of wits. Think about WHY should he come QUICKLY?
I must say "Well Said Peter" that is great advice and so true on how to train the bully breed. Great Advice. :thumbright:
 

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PeterC said:
First off, when your dog knows the command and does not comply, it is a sign of disrespect. Secondly, it is a sign of inconsitancy of training on your part. Third, you are not rewarding EVERY time he comes. It does not mean he does not love you. However, those three things are true.

A bulldog is not a malinois or a border collie. They are stubborn. Repetition is the key word, more so than other breeds. They don't think. They respond. You can use this to train them or bash your head against a dead end. :)

If a bulldog knows there is a HUGE reward when you say "come" why would he not? Do you have a piece of weiner hidden in your pocket for him?

Prepare to succeed........not fail. Have that reward ready. Because timing and when you give that reward makes your dog very fast on the recall or sluggish like a bug.
NEVER EVER CALL YOUR DOG IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A REWARD FOR HIM. Once he gets used to doing it with speed (because he is sooooo used to it) then tell him to sit. Progressively, you ask him to do more and more for a reward. With a bulldog, after awhile, whenever you call him, he will be messmerized. You do this from 8 weeks on...........the dog will be FIXATED on you. That is imprinting. REally, that is the only difference between a trainer and a pet owner. Consistancy and timing of rewards. Simple.

THERE IS NO WAY YOUR DOG WILL NOT COME with reward, unless there is a distraction. This is where a bit of compulsion or pinch comes in or e- collar. It reminds him that you are the boss......pay attention.
Many people think a pinch collar is used to FORCE A DOG to do what you want. NO!!!!! On a very tough dog, a pinch collar, used incorrectly, will make that dog "crawl up the line" and take you to the hospital. Thank goodness 99% are not like this. It is used as friendly reminder. In many cases, like using an e- collar, the dog is taught how to turn the stimulus off. AND THE DOG HAS NO ISSUES WITH YOU THE HANDLER.

Let me ask you a question. If you were a dog.........would you come to a human being (even if you are the owner), who cranks on a pinch and causes you pain? Issues. I see this all the time. This causes handler sensitivity. More issues.

Timing of rewards CREATES A VERY VERY FAST RESPONSE IN A DOG. Fast obedience is NOT created by you jerking on the pinch collar.

Change your mindset. Training time is REWARD time. Dogs go nuts. Training time should not be "do as I say or you get corrected".

I hope this helps. "prepare to succeed"

REWARD - anything your dog goes ape nuts for. For most it is food. Use it. Why not use the biggest training tool you have?
Trust me. Most bulldogs like your pat on the head, but many will kill for a peice of weiner. LOL!

Good luck.

I know bulldog training is hard. Change your mindset. Turn it into a game of wits. Think about WHY should he come QUICKLY?
WOW! That is all I can day!
 

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Yep.

Thanks. Seemed like there was less bickering and more training things going on, with good questions. AND more working pics.
Less bickering and more dog training stuff.

Besides, I was quite busy with getting all our dogs prepared.

Sometimes, I wish I had info when I had my first AB. The books did a poor job of showing me how to train an AB and many trainers I went to knew nothing except being a CRANK monster (koelier method). In many respects, it is so different than training a herding breed.

I know first hand how frustrating it is.
 
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