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Please accept my apology if this topic is reapeted to death.

I have a male 1.5 yr. old Am. Bulldog and a Female 8.5 mos. Am. Bulldog. They get along fine, play together etc. But, when my wife comes into the backyard, they begin to fight. As my female is growing older and larger (80 lbs approx. to date) the fighting seems to be getting more serious. Yesterday they drew blood on each other.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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JZ said:
Please accept my apology if this topic is reapeted to death.

I have a male 1.5 yr. old Am. Bulldog and a Female 8.5 mos. Am. Bulldog. They get along fine, play together etc. But, when my wife comes into the backyard, they begin to fight. As my female is growing older and larger (80 lbs approx. to date) the fighting seems to be getting more serious. Yesterday they drew blood on each other.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
You might as well plan on crating and rotating them if they're drawing blood already. You can try training them to not fight. But, I have a friend who's older female and younger male can't be together b/c they'll KILL each other if they are. It's in the AB's nature to want to dominate. If you have two that both want to be the dominant one, your chances of having them get along are slim to none.

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Is there anything to the fact that they only do this when my wife comes out. When I am out alone with them they are fine.
 

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Are they fixed? That can help but it will not cure the aggression between the two. Sounds like you are going to have to crate and rotate the dogs. It 99.999% of the time gets worse.


I have a friend with two females and I asked how they got along, she said minor spats nothing to worry about...I told her that she was in serious danger of them fighting the same sex usually dooes not get along, she mocked me like I was an idiot........... A couple of months passed by and one took the other's ear off :shock: :cry: It does help to get the opposite sexes but as you can see that does not always matter, hopefully you will find peace in your home
 

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We just recently had the male fixed, but the female is not fixed. We keep both of them crated while inside, but outdoors they like to play/exercise together. Everything is good until the wife steps out, then it's on...

Can anyone lend their experience and speak on the wife factor?
 

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Can anyone lend their experience and speak on the wife factor?
I am not an expert but it sounds like they are competing for her attention. Are they bonded more to her than you? Who does most of the walking, feeding, attention giving?
 

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I'd say 50/50. She did gave most of the attention while they were very young. Now it's probably even.
 

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Watch to see who they are the most bonded to that could be causing the problem, don't let your wife have the dogs together at the same time. I doubt that will stop them from fight since they have started competing it usually keeps going.(I am hoping I am wrong) they will find new things to compete about, toys, food, your affection etc.
 

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I'd say 50/50. She did gave most of the attention while they were very young. Now it's probably even.
If she gave them the most attention when they were young, it's definitely a factor. You know how it is when they're puppies....that's when they get attached. They are fighting for her attention. I'd talk to a specialist if I were you, see what they say.
 

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We just recently had the male fixed, but the female is not fixed. We keep both of them crated while inside, but outdoors they like to play/exercise together. Everything is good until the wife steps out, then it's on...

Can anyone lend their experience and speak on the wife factor?
sounds like when your there your the Alphs male , when it's just your wife they are fighint for position of top dog
why not just crate they untill you get home or crate one and alternate
 

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JZ said:
We just recently had the male fixed, but the female is not fixed. We keep both of them crated while inside, but outdoors they like to play/exercise together. Everything is good until the wife steps out, then it's on...

Can anyone lend their experience and speak on the wife factor?
I'm thinking that they are viewing your wife more as a pack member, instead of an alpha. And they are both trying to "claim her".

Zeus (akita) and Eros (am staff/rottie) got into a really really bad fight over me. It took my husband and I about five minutes to break them apart. There was blood everywhere. I had to throw them both in the bathtub and rinse them off to determine where all of the blood was coming from. Oh I forgot, they had never been in a fight with each other before this.

When all was said and done Zeus has over forty punctures in both of his front legs, several other miscellaneous punctures, and his right ear was split at the top 1/2 inch. He ended up with osteomalitas in both his front legs, from the punctures going into the bone and creating acid pockets.
Eros had a 2 1/2 to 3 inch long deep gash across his forehead, an ear half ripped off, and about twelve other punctures on his muzzle and face.
Afterwards I was horrified. I crated and rotated for the first two years after the fight. It worked, but I didn't like it.

This past year (October 11th will be three years since the fight) I began working on putting them back together. The first thing I had to do was move past the fight myself, and realize they didn't remember it or what it was even about. If I remained nervous about putting them together, they would sense my anxiety thus creating unwanted tension.

I began by walking or playing with them separately to tire them both out. Then I would walk them together with basket muzzles on. During this time I also corrected any dominant or aggressive behavior (i.e. hackels up, ears forward, tight or curled lips, ears forward, tail up, starring at the other dog, leaning on me, etc.). I did this for a couple of weeks, until I was more comfortable. Then started walking them with out the muzzles, with one on either side of me. I added the other dogs in one at a time, to make the pack complete. I also started feeding all four (now five) of them together. I started by tying them apart in case they started any sh** with each other.

I continually correct any dominance (from any of my five dogs) show toward myself, my husband, any other person, or an animal.
I still walk all five together, feed all five side by side (see attached picture), and don't play favorites. I still crate one or put them in separate rooms at night, when we are gone, and in the car. These are environments they are hard to control, and it easier to prevent a fight than stop it.

But the main thing is you have to be consistent with not giving them an inch or they will take a mile. Correct anything that is not calm-submissive behavior. Even in playing, especially no mounting. Set and stick to the set of rules you decide, not your dogs'.


 

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We just recently had the male fixed, but the female is not fixed. Can anyone lend their experience and speak on the wife factor?
I believe your problem is the fact the male is fixed and the female is not. I have a neutered male and my female hates him but she does just fine with my intact male 99% of the time.

The issue with your wife is interesting, is she doing anything other than walking out back? Or is she actually making contact with one or the other before the trouble starts?
 

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I'm thinking that they are viewing your wife more as a pack member, instead of an alpha. And they are both trying to "claim her".
Was gonna be my answer completely!
She seems like she isnt considered alpha to them so one of them has
to step up to the task of being alpha...problem is both want it.
She needs to assert herself as alpha, maybe that will
help or even stop the problem.
Worth a shot! :wink:
 

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I'd get a newspaper

Get a newspaper and hide when your wife comes out. Then wreak "holy hell" on the troublemaker.




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the leader of the pack, grrr.
 

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Re: I'd get a newspaper

Jackie said:
Get a newspaper and hide when your wife comes out. Then wreak "holy hell" on the troublemaker.




jackie
the leader of the pack, grrr.
:lol: :lol:
 

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Re: I'd get a newspaper

Jackie said:
Get a newspaper and hide when your wife comes out. Then wreak "holy hell" on the troublemaker.




jackie
the leader of the pack, grrr.
That's hysterical... I think I just peed my pants.
 
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