[michele-n-brad]

We just started breeding our English bulldogs this year and the first two litters out of different bitches both produced stillbirths...the first had 2 beautifully formed pups which she expelled days apart-both dead. The second had 4 beautiful pups and 1 waterpup-all dead. She expelled the first, the vet did a c-section and removed the other four dead pups-all beautiful and fully formed, but he thought they may have died a few days ago. He is at a loss. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

 

[Hug~A~Bully]

EB's are know for problems with birth and pregnancy.

 

[AllAmericanPUP]

how old are the females and did you use the same stud on both?

 

[michele-n-brad]

ages

The first one was 5 and the second one was almost 2.

 

[michele-n-brad]

different studs

Each one had a different stud.

 

[maryserratos]

Were they all checked for brucellosis (sp)? I know that can cause the bitch to deliver stillborns.

 

[Tinkerbell]

If you plan to breed again in the future. Take the bitch to the vet through out the pregnancy. Monitor her very closely, and insit on a C-section delivery. You are extreamly lucky that all you lost was some pups and not the mothers too.

In most cases, just the act of natural delievery with an EB can kill the pups. The mothers hips and birth canal are too small to allow a safe birth. You need to find yourself a reputable breeder to mentor with. They will teach you how to whelp healthy pups, and also how to ensure the mothers safety before, during and after the pregnancy.

I would have all the dogs tested for brucelloiss (sp?) as well before attempting any further matings.

But most importantly - TAKE THEM TO A VET!!!

 

[attitude]

eb's are the hardest breed to breed. imo, 5 is far to old to be breeding an eb biatch. i mean the life expectancy is only 8 and it is a extremely difficult birth. i definitely agree, consult with a vet. i am sure that eb breeders would tell you this is not an unusual occurance . eb's are extremely difficult to breed , hence (oh my, such a cool word) the heft price for puppies.

 

[ambull040769]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought english bull dogs always had to have C-section delivery?

 

[kogeki]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought english bull dogs always had to have C-section delivery?

Yeah, i've heard a figure of 90-95% of EBs require a C section. Thats not a good figure.

 

[maryserratos]

100% of the "well bred" EB's have to have a c-section.

You know what, this is a poor subject for me so I don't think I should say anymore.

 

[ScottB]

Heh, generally EBs are a sore subject for me. IMHO, you should not be breeding your female. Should you feel you have no other choice then you she should have a C-section.

 

[jleonar]

As I am sure everyone knows, EBs have been breed into animals that can no longer reproduce naturally.

Typically they are artificially inseminated and have to give birth via c-section.

It is a sad state of affairs for these dogs and I hate that breeder's clubs and the AKC have been directly responsible for it. Another dog that is getting ruined is Boston Terriers. Boston Terriers used to be small utility dogs that could work. Now they are totally unhealthy and can't do any real work.

 

[michele-n-brad]

response re C-section

Ok, I feel I'm getting railed here. I know that EBs require a c-section. We are committed to improving the breed. We work closely with our vet. Our bitches both ended up pushing out a dead pup earlier than their expected date, showing no signs of labor...and we were watching closely-we love our dogs and they are like family members. That wasn't my question. I just wanted to know if anyone had experiences such as this before so we could know what to test for. We have tested for brucelosis (sp?) and just want to rule out everything we possibly can. I thought this would be a helpful site, considering the name, but maybe I was mistaken.

 

[ScottB]

There are a lot of people that come on here wanting to breed their pet. There are a lot of people already on here that are pretty darn opposed to that concept. I think your original post didn't contain enough information about your situation to counteract their agressive stance on BYB. How would you know though? So please don't feel like this is a community that attacks anyone that posts

 

[snarky]

so sad

what a terrible ordeal...

 

[Redbull]

Another dog that is getting ruined is Boston Terriers. Boston Terriers used to be small utility dogs that could work. Now they are totally unhealthy and can't do any real work.

There's a few breeders here n there that are producing throwback bostons and old boston bulldogs, really nice dogs. I hope that these breeders can get together somehow to bring the standard back or at least recreate a registry and standard for them. Would be nice to see.

 

[maryserratos]

Another dog that is getting ruined is Boston Terriers. Boston Terriers used to be small utility dogs that could work. Now they are totally unhealthy and can't do any real work.

There's a few breeders here n there that are producing throwback bostons and old boston bulldogs, really nice dogs. I hope that these breeders can get together somehow to bring the standard back or at least recreate a registry and standard for them. Would be nice to see.

The IOEBA registers the old boston bulldogges. Wired kennels breeds them. They do have a standard and I think they are bringing back what used to be. Humans like to exaggerate dogs to human likings, this is where I have the problem with breeders. Its like "Hey whatever sells" and I think that is a pretty shitty way to do things! :evil:

*ohhhhh that was my first angry smiley*

 

[Redbull]

The IOEBA registers the old boston bulldogges. Wired kennels breeds them. They do have a standard and I think they are bringing back what used to be.

That's awesome! I didn't know that. The one thing I have noticed though is that all breeders of the old boston bulldogs are using different methods to breed them. For example: some breeders want the boston that looked very similar to an amstaff, so they would breed a male standard ab to a large female boston, breed the stardard types together from that litter and there is your foundation. Other breeders that I have seen have old bostons that look taller, but do not have much of a bully build to them at all, and then others have some that look just a tad larger than normal boston terriers but have different colors showing up (fawn, red brindle, etc). Some mix english bulldog and boston terrier, oeb + boston terrier, etc. This is where I see the main discrepency amongst the breeder's standards is within their foundation stock, although it's really all the same foundation stock that was used to breed the original boston bulldog, just different %'s or bred back differently.

 

[jleonar]

I came to this board after being involved with watching the Olde Boston Bulldogge yahoo group.

Part of the issue with OBB is the same as the AB. Not that it really is a problem but OBBs from breeder to breeder look very different. Wired Kennels has some REALLY nice looking dogs and so does O'Klassic. Rutan is probably the oldest breeder of OBBs. However, Wired, O'Klassic and Rutan all have dogs that look very different. I mean they look so different that most observers would think they are different breeds.

Rutan's have a more pit looking appearance. He has officially stated that there is no pit blood in them. Wired Kennels has the only IOEBA Champion OBB named Kodiak. He is a really nice looking dog.

Back to the boston terriers, OBBs say they are the anciestor of boston terriers and by appearance that maybe true but I seriously doubt any of the OBBs of today could be traced back to dogs that predated boston terriers. Yes a lot of OBBs of today look like Judge Hooper's Boston Bulldogs but that doesn't mean they are.

I believe that the OBBs of today are a re-creation of the boston bulldog. That being the case I do not believe old throwback boston terriers are really OBBs.

I believe Boston Terriers have their own place in their current breed to be working dogs. The other issue with throwback boston terriers is they are just anomalies. There are a few boston terrier breeders that consistently put out large boston terriers but for the most part, if you find a large boston terrier, it just happened to be the largest out of the litter.