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I RESCUED MY STAFFORDSHIRE PIT FROM A MAN TRAINING HER TO ATTACK AND BE EXTREMELY VICIOUS. AND LET ME TELL YOU, HE WANTED HER TO BE VICIOUS? WELL HE DID A GOOD JOB. SHE HAS BITTEN 2 OF MY NEIGHBOURS (I HAVE SINCE MOVED). SHE HAS ATTACKED 3 DOGS. SHE HATES STRANGERS AND WILL ATTACK WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD "KILL" OR "GET 'EM".

HER NAME IS HALEY. I TOOK HER IN BECAUSE SHE IS EXTREMELY SWEET AND AFFECTIONATE; I KNOW THIS IS HARD TO BELIEVE. PEOPLE TELL ME SHE REALLY SHOULD BE PUT TO SLEEP BECAUSE OF HER NATURE, I HAVE TRIED SO HARD TO TRAIN HER OUT OF ALL THESE BAD HABITS SHE WAS TAUGHT. IT SEEMS HOPELESS, SHE IS A BIT BETTER, BUT STILL WILL BITE ANY STRANGER WHO SHOWS FEAR OR SHOWS THEY ARE SCARED. SHE LIVES WITH 2 OF MY OTHER PIT PUPPIES WHO SHE IS EXTREMLEY FRIENDLY WITH.

SHE IS COMPLETELY UNPREDICTABLE. I WAS SITTING IN MY CAR ONCE AND A DOG WALKS BY, THE BACK WINDOW WAS OPEN BUT ONE OF MY FRIENDS WAS SITTING BESIDE THE OPEN WINDOW. HALEY WAS SITTING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MY FRIEND. SHE JUMPS OVER MY FRIEND AND THROUGH THE WINDOW AND MY FRIEND TRIES TO GRAB HER, BUT FORGET IT, SHE WAS GONE. SHE WENT AND ATTACKED THE DOG. SHE DID NOT LEAVE A MARK ON THE DOG, NO BITE OR ANYTHING. I GOT THERE FAST ENOUGH TO STOP IT. BUT EVEN THOUGH THE DOG WAS FINE, I WAS STILL FACING FINES WORTH $900. BECAUSE SHE IS A PIT BULL, I LIVE IN ONTARIO CANADA WHERE PITS ARE BANNED AND IN THIS PROVINCE THEY HATE PIT BULLS AND PIT BULL OWNERS.

MY BOYFRIEND WANTS TO GET RID OF HER, AND I REALIZE IT IS COMING DOWN TO THAT BECAUSE HALEY IS CAPABLE OF SOME SERIOUS DAMAGE. BUT I CANT DO IT, I LOVE HER SO MUCH, I HAVE HAD HER FOR YEARS THINKING I WAS GOING TO FIX HER. SHE IS MY CHILD, LIKE MY BLOOD. I DONT KNOW HOW I WILL GET OVER HER. I MAY SOUND PATHETIC, BUT MAYBE SOMEONE IN THIS FORUM KNOWS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOT TRIED. MOST PEOPLE THINK I AM INSANE FOR STILL OWNING HER. SHE IS EXTREMLEY FRIENDLY WITH MY PUPS, MY FRIENDS, ANYONE WHO SHE KNOWS SHE IS SUCH A BIG SUCK. IT SEEMS LIKE SHE HAS IT IN HER TO BE NORMAL. IT IS REALLY KILLING ME, ANY WORDS OF ADVICE?
 

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your dog is a liability.

you have to get rid of her before someone gets hurt... and we see yet another pitbull headline.

yes you love her... but do you love her so much as to put others at risk?

and while you're getting rid of her, go beat up on her previous owners, the fk-ing idiots. they make me so mad. :evil:
 

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A dog is not just the dog itself.

It is the creature and ALL OF ITS PAST EXPERIENCES. It is a package.

I think you CAN rehab her. However, remember this. YOu can never erase her experience (imprinting). NEVER.

Personally, I would work with a dog like this. Generally, it is an easy fix IF IT IS CONFIDENCE BASED AND NOT FEAR BASED AGITATION TRAINING THE DOG OBTAINED. Is the nerves GREAT and it is TOTALLY STABLE AND STUPID FRIENDLY WITH KIDS? If it has ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY, EVEN THE MOST MINUTE hesitation with kids (it does not even have to growl), I would put it to sleep yesterday. If it is SUPER SUPER good with small kids, I think it deserves life, as long as it is not nervy.

That is a lot of training ahead of you! LOTS OF OB training.

First and formost, with a dog like this, you have to bring to a trainer who specializes in aggression. YOu need to be BRUTALLY BRUTALLY black and white. Not physically brutal. Mentally brutal. You have to be a MONSTER ALPHA. If it shows aggression for no reason, it has to know that you will end his life. YOU (alpha) will not accept this behavior. NEVER. YOU MUST SET RANK. Again, it is not physically being cruel. It is about being the pack leader. Most people cannot do this. That is why you must work with a trainer.

Again, it all depends on the nerves of the dog and his love of kids.

The thing is, there is nothing wrong with putting such a dog down because you cannot find the right owner. Not many of these owners are around that can set rank and those that CAN DO IT, will not be training with a pit, usually.

At best, it is risky.

GOOOOOD LUCK!
 

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Little kids can run up to Haley and come hug her and she wont care. She has no problems with kids.

She does not like big tall people (especially men) then minute she knows something bigger than her fears her, thats where is starts.

It is my fault for taking Haley in the first place. I am so attatched to her, now i have to put her to sleep. Its horrible.
 

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Just something else to add

From Peter's picture, if a man this size were to approach Haley like "I dont know about this dog....dont want it close to me" Haley will growl and possibly bite.

But if a man this size came to Haley and either ignored her and literally was not scared or came up and immediatley says " Hi Haley, good girl" and came and pat her, she will give kisses and will be very nice.

This dog can smell fear, as long as no one is scared, shes good to go.

I basically walk her at midnight every night, her lifestyle is different than my other pups. I just keep her out of public after all these incidents.

I just thought there was no such thing as an "unfixable" dog. I am not a professional trainer, but maybe if i was or had the knowledge of a pro trainer, maybe Haley would be better by now.
 

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get rid of it. if you can't trust a dog i have always thought it would be best to put it down. not to sound cruel but it does happen. to rehab it will mean alot of time and paying close attention on your part. if you are up to that task.BIG RESPONSIBILITY
 

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One big issue with keeping an agressive dog is management. For example you say this dog is unpredictable in it's agression, yet in another post you talk about letting kids run up and hug the dog? That is not management of an agressive and unpredictable dog. If you plan on keeping this dog you need to contain this dog and stop exposing people to risk.

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I guess if you are bent on keeping her - you will need to work on some serious management. Get a good basket muzzle (they are NOT cruel like a lot of people assume) for her to wear each and everytime she is out in public - and limit her public exposure to bare minimum. When you have her in the car - keep her leashed and tie the leash to something solid in the car or buckle the leash through a seat belt. To be honset - Im surprised she hasent been taken and destroyed yet - especially if she has bitten and attacked more then once. She IS a serious liability. The next time (god forbid there is a next time) she bites - you could be facing a shit load of trouble. Not just that - but it will also be one more negative strike against pits and just confirm Ontario's ruling that pits are "dangerous and a menace".
 

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From what you describe.... it "sounds" like this dogs behavior could be changed. Like Peter said.... with a professional trainer that specializes in aggression! It does not sound to me that you are capable of handling this situation or at least not thinking it through clearly. This dog has already bitten at least twice and you continue to expose people to this dog? The behavior needs to be corrected and proofed before trusting this animal.

Personally I would put the dog down... just not worth having another incident. :roll:
 

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I also think the dog should be put to sleep. I realize that this is going to be very hard for you, but you have to look at the big picture. You would feel even worse if the dog really hurt someone. The dog is a huge liabilty.

I am sorry you are having to go through this. :cry:
 

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pit_bull_lover said:
SHE IS COMPLETELY UNPREDICTABLE.
This would seal the humane euthanasia deal for me. Unpredictable aggressive dogs are a huge liability and are always edgy, nervous, etc...not a very happy life if you ask me. Putting her down would be the most humane option, for her and for the people she'll never get a chance to attack.
 

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PUT HER TO SLEEP, Unless you have the money to spend on a Trainer with the time to correct this dogs problams. If you are coming here with this Question then you do not have the experiance or training to be able to help this dog yourself. So either spend alot of time and money on this dog and maybe it will get managable, or put it down.
 

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A dog is not just the dog itself.

It is the creature and ALL OF ITS PAST EXPERIENCES. It is a package.

I think you CAN rehab her. However, remember this. YOu can never erase her experience (imprinting). NEVER.

Personally, I would work with a dog like this. Generally, it is an easy fix IF IT IS CONFIDENCE BASED AND NOT FEAR BASED AGITATION TRAINING THE DOG OBTAINED. Is the nerves GREAT and it is TOTALLY STABLE AND STUPID FRIENDLY WITH KIDS? If it has ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY, EVEN THE MOST MINUTE hesitation with kids (it does not even have to growl), I would put it to sleep yesterday. If it is SUPER SUPER good with small kids, I think it deserves life, as long as it is not nervy.

That is a lot of training ahead of you! LOTS OF OB training.

First and formost, with a dog like this, you have to bring to a trainer who specializes in aggression. YOu need to be BRUTALLY BRUTALLY black and white. Not physically brutal. Mentally brutal. You have to be a MONSTER ALPHA. If it shows aggression for no reason, it has to know that you will end his life. YOU (alpha) will not accept this behavior. NEVER. YOU MUST SET RANK. Again, it is not physically being cruel. It is about being the pack leader. Most people cannot do this. That is why you must work with a trainer.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I have to agree with Peter! ( LOL..J/K Peter :D ). I think that is great info. on what needs to be done ASAP! And if you can't the best thing is to give her to someone who has extreme knowledge on aggression or put her to sleep humanely.
 

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Yikes, especially considering where you live, and the BSL. :shock: I certainly hope you take the advice, and get help ASAP! Until you receive the help you need, or make a decision based on what's best for the dog, I also hope you can keep her properly contained, so that no one else is hurt.
 

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Thanks for everyone's comments, I appreciate that everyone was not harsh towards my question. (Which I know some of you are thinking whats wrong with me)

I have a farmer who is interested in taking Haley. I do not know if i should put her down or give her to a farm.

This farmer has lots of land and is obviously way out in the country. We are going to meet this guy and introduce him to Haley tonight. (the farmer understands and fully knows what kind of dog Haley is)

I just think maybe it would be better for Haley to roam free on lots of acres of land as apposed to putting her to sleep.

If you were in my shoes would you do the same thing?
 

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Thanks for everyone's comments, I appreciate that everyone was not harsh towards my question. (Which I know some of you are thinking whats wrong with me)

I have a farmer who is interested in taking Haley. I do not know if i should put her down or give her to a farm.

This farmer has lots of land and is obviously way out in the country. We are going to meet this guy and introduce him to Haley tonight. (the farmer understands and fully knows what kind of dog Haley is)

I just think maybe it would be better for Haley to roam free on lots of acres of land as apposed to putting her to sleep.

If you were in my shoes would you do the same thing?
I do not think people should rehome agressive, unpredictable and dangerous dogs. IMO it is not ethical. In addition, just realize that in the boonies if she becomes dangerous the'll likely just shoot her. Roaming is never a good idea for your dog. So if this fellow has no fenced yard and plans on letting her roam that is not a good thing. So no, I don't think it is a good idea to pass on a dangerous bulldog. Human being live in the boonies too.

Paula
 

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PaulaEdwina said:
pit_bull_lover said:
Thanks for everyone's comments, I appreciate that everyone was not harsh towards my question. (Which I know some of you are thinking whats wrong with me)

I have a farmer who is interested in taking Haley. I do not know if i should put her down or give her to a farm.

This farmer has lots of land and is obviously way out in the country. We are going to meet this guy and introduce him to Haley tonight. (the farmer understands and fully knows what kind of dog Haley is)

I just think maybe it would be better for Haley to roam free on lots of acres of land as apposed to putting her to sleep.

If you were in my shoes would you do the same thing?
I do not think people should rehome agressive, unpredictable and dangerous dogs. IMO it is not ethical. In addition, just realize that in the boonies if she becomes dangerous the'll likely just shoot her. Roaming is never a good idea for your dog. So if this fellow has no fenced yard and plans on letting her roam that is not a good thing. So no, I don't think it is a good idea to pass on a dangerous bulldog. Human being live in the boonies too.

Paula
Totally agree with Paula.

This dog is unpredictable and a danger to society... even out in the country on an acreage.

put it to sleep... if it were up to me, i wouldn't even have to think about it.
 

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funny.
a dog bites a kid in the face and you get advice like, "see a behavioralist. give it one more chance"

this dog is a no brainer? It is a shame some looooooooser made his dog mean. This dog was probably pretty good. To me, this dog deserves a chance to see a trainer. Why? It is not a shi#ty nerve bag. Nerve bags are unpredictable. This dog, as described is not. YOU know what sets it off.

THIS IS WHY YOU WANT A FRIENDLY DOG. Always. Confident and friendly.
 

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funny.
a dog bites a kid in the face and you get advice like, "see a behavioralist. give it one more chance"

this dog is a no brainer? It is a shame some looooooooser made his dog mean. This dog was probably pretty good. To me, this dog deserves a chance to see a trainer. Why? It is not a shi#ty nerve bag. Nerve bags are unpredictable. This dog, as described is not. YOU know what sets it off.

THIS IS WHY YOU WANT A FRIENDLY DOG. Always. Confident and friendly.
I agree give him a chance, if you get him into training it sounds like he can be controled.
 

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Why pass off this dangerous dog onto someone else!??? :shock: Put her to sleep or she'll get shot, and it won't be easy on her unless they get a good clean shot in. At least she can die in your loving arms instead of in agony somewhere in a ditch.
 
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