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fwiw, I wouldn't feed grain free / lower carb / high protein kibble to a pup less than a yr old. I would also only feed high protein food to an adult dog who was very active / drivey, otherwise it can cause undue stress on the kidneys and liver.

If you want a good non-allergenic food, you could look into California Naturals. It still has a healthy balance for a pup.
 

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Seems like alot of alergy type issues going on. I was going to jump in earlier but thought I would wait until after the vet visit. Harley had the same symptoms as Bowser on his feet, the dark red color and also alot of shedding. He also had really dirty ears. The ear issue tuned out to be a yeast infection, I feel bad I didn't catch that earlier before it turned into that. I wonder if it was caused by his constant scuba diving when he gets in the water and his ears not drying well. The vet thought his feet may have been infected also, but the tests didn't show any infections, so it was some sort of alergy. She recomended also going on a limited ingredient food for a while as Queen mentioned. What the heck is going on with these dogs, he has had minor alergies before, but this crazy...Raw might be coming sooner than later even if i have to shop at the grocery store and pay the premium for now.
 

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fwiw, I wouldn't feed grain free / lower carb / high protein kibble to a pup less than a yr old. I would also only feed high protein food to an adult dog who was very active / drivey, otherwise it can cause undue stress on the kidneys and liver.

If you want a good non-allergenic food, you could look into California Naturals. It still has a healthy balance for a pup.
All the California Naturals formulas have the same Amount of protein with the exception of the insanely high 36%. What's wrong with 21%? DVP is at 21%. Keeps the poops firm and the body from growing too fast. Plus Bowz is 11 months old. I think that is old enough for grain free. Is it not?
 

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Seems like alot of alergy type issues going on. I was going to jump in earlier but thought I would wait until after the vet visit. Harley had the same symptoms as Bowser on his feet, the dark red color and also alot of shedding. He also had really dirty ears. The ear issue tuned out to be a yeast infection, I feel bad I didn't catch that earlier before it turned into that. I wonder if it was caused by his constant scuba diving when he gets in the water and his ears not drying well. The vet thought his feet may have been infected also, but the tests didn't show any infections, so it was some sort of alergy. She recomended also going on a limited ingredient food for a while as Queen mentioned. What the heck is going on with these dogs, he has had minor alergies before, but this crazy...Raw might be coming sooner than later even if i have to shop at the grocery store and pay the premium for now.
Hey Dan, sucks for poor Harley. Bowz is the same with the exception of the ear infection. I clean his ears regularly. The allergies may be the result of ragweed season. We have had a lot of rain here in Ontario, spiking the humidity and the growth of weeds. A lot of dogs seem to be sensitive to the plants.
 

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All the California Naturals formulas have the same Amount of protein with the exception of the insanely high 36%. What's wrong with 21%? DVP is at 21%. Keeps the poops firm and the body from growing too fast. Plus Bowz is 11 months old. I think that is old enough for grain free. Is it not?

Oh 21% is perfectly fine. Usually I see the 0 grain formulas end up being around 40% protein (orijen, etc)

I don't think all California Naturals formulas are so high in protein.

I don't think DVP is low carb or 0 grain. I used to use it before. Evo, orijen, taste of the wild type foods can be problematic for pups. Very rich and very high in protein.
 

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You are right :) The CN have around the 21% mark. I don't know if they sell the CN formulas in Ontario... I've never seen them here. I think I'll stick with the DVP and go from there. Thanks for the info!
Np! Definitely stick with what's working. I only made that comment because people were mentioning Evo, etc and I noticed your dog is 6 months.
 

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I dropped the Natura line when they were bought out by P&G makers of Iams as I don't trust their recall history. For those of you that don't know, this includes California Natural, Evo, Innova and Healthwise. Iams was one of the best products on the market at one time until they were bought by P&G.
 

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Paul can you post the info you have on protein myths? It's not the amount of protein that you should really be concerned about. It's the calcium/phosphorous ratio that you should be looking at. And TOTW doesn't have any foods in the 40% area, I think the highest is 32%. It's also an ALL life stages food.
 

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Paul can you post the info you have on protein myths? It's not the amount of protein that you should really be concerned about. It's the calcium/phosphorous ratio that you should be looking at. And TOTW doesn't have any foods in the 40% area, I think the highest is 32%. It's also an ALL life stages food.
As there are so many myths circulating about high protein diets, this is probably one of the most commonly asked questions received at our customer service.
Countless studies published over the last 15 years have roundly debunked the high protein myth (often fueled by the multinational and marketing companies that still produce low-protein, grain-based foods).
The truth is simple — high-protein diets are Biologically Appropriate for all breeds of dogs and cats. By better matching the natural diets and anatomical physiology of dogs and cats, higher-protein, lower carbohydrate foods better promote their peak health and conditioning.
Today’s conventional pet foods are lower in protein and high in carbohydrates (40-50%). As carbohydrates are not part of the natural diet, it should come as no surprise that carbohydrates are not required (in any amount) by dogs and cats.
Dogs and cats are evolved to derive their energy from animal proteins and fats, not carbohydrates from grains.
Want more information?
Please see our White Paper, pages 26, 27 – Protein myths.
Or check the “Myths of High Protein” study published by the University of Pennsylvania’s School of Veterinary Medicine which explains why today’s traditional veterinarians know so little about the subject of high-protein and companion animal nutrition.
The relationship between carbohydrates and protein is an important factor in the diets of senior dogs. When protein is high, carbohydrates are low. In other words, high protein diets are by nature low in carbohydrates, and that’s great for senior dogs as excessive amount of inappropriate carbohydrates (which are simply sugars) – are that last nutrient needed in any senior dog’s diet.
Please see our White Paper for more information on this subject.
Research into the growth of Great Danes (Nap RC, The Netherlands,) has shown that the protein level of a diet has no significant influence on skeletal development. High protein intake does not result in increased risk for OCD or HD, and there is no effect on the development in the longitudinal growth of the bone." Additionally, while protein does not cause orthopedic problems, other nutrients can.
It is not excess protein that causes joint problems, but over feeding dogs can contribute to arthritis and orthopedic problems. Please note that most orthopedic and joint problems are inherited, but puppies and dogs that are overweight have a greater chance of an increase in pain and discomfort, and the potential of developing orthopedic problems as younger animals and arthritis later on in their life.
 

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Hey Dan, sucks for poor Harley. Bowz is the same with the exception of the ear infection. I clean his ears regularly. The allergies may be the result of ragweed season. We have had a lot of rain here in Ontario, spiking the humidity and the growth of weeds. A lot of dogs seem to be sensitive to the plants.
Yeah, we normally keep an eye on his ears too but for some reason neither of us kept up on it and it slipped by us. It must be painful for him but you know these guys they don't complain about pain. As for the food, I'll be buying something new with limited ingredients temporarily I guess....
 
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