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Ok, im normally good at this but my Pit lady has me stumped right now.

The macho Moto is very good, cries to get out and shows great progress. He is well on his way to being 100% trained. At 5 months hes doing just fine.

Kaya on the otherhand is a nightmare. She has decided that making teeny tiny pees all over the place is order of the day and im running low on ideas to persuade her otherwise. Im not into smacking them, only now have I resorted to sitting her down in front of them and speaking firmly to her on the ill conceived locations of her little puddles. Im sure she does it to spite sometimes!

Does anyone have any new ideas, tricks or techniques to try and dissuade my little lady from piddling and pooping where and when she wants.

The irony is there are no two more regularly walked or excercised dogs. We stay right beside the park and they go out so often its unreal. The problem seems to be purely mental as opposed to physically needing to pee, she simply WANTS to!!
 

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Its more a BIW (because I want) than a UTI. She sleeps at night, sometimes from 11pm till 11pm next day without so much as a dribble.

She CAN go as long as she pleases without making puddles...but with Kaya dearest can and WANT are two very different matters! She simply wants to make pee on the floor I feel, sometimes because ive shut a door and she isnt pleased,. sometimes because I dont feed her table scraps when she mooches.

To rule it out though I will take them both this week and have a poo and urine test done on both of them to see that everything is ok.
 

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I took them both to the vet today with stool and urine samples for each of them just to be sure, id rather be safe than leave a problem growing.

She does have vaginitis, common for her age and we have a course of anitbiotics for that. We will know about the UTI once the tests are done on their samples probably tomorrow.

As I said I dont think its the case as she can hold damn well when it pleases her...pleasing her is the problem. Todays a clasic example> We walked to the vets and back, lovely day for it. All in about 50 minutes walking...

We get back home and within 10 minutes she makes a teeny tiny not worth making poop and a little pee puddle on the floor......why..why...why for goodness sake, im sure she does it just to be annoying!!
 

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Thanks for the advice.

I do all of those things already but Kaya isnt responding very well, shes the first dog ive had be so damn stubborn on the issue. The male Moto is excellent when he needs he will goto the door and let me know.

Spite may seem an odd word but dogs can exhibit behaviors for a variety of reasons. Spite may be mispleading what I mean I think she does it because she feels the reaction to it is satisfactory. When im not doing what she wants me to do, she finds reward in having me run around after her cleaning up the mess. In that sense I think shes spiting me.

Shes an intelligent dog, show her something once tell her its good and she will repea it for the reward....

Too smart not to know by now that house toilets are frowned upon. I am 100% convinced her behavior now is choice as opposed to nature.

For example, when we eat dinner and they mooch and dont stop I send them from the kitchen and close the door.....when we finish and open the door almost without fail she will have left a tiny puddle in front of the living room door as a reward before retreating upstairs.

She appears to be using her little gifts to persuade me not to close the doors or to keep her in sight all the time.

Im generally good at training dogs but I have to admit the lady has me stumped, her behavior is very curious and not at all what id consider nromal for a dog in house training dog.
Thats why im seeking some new clever technique to try persuade her otherwise.

As an example, if I say Vamos (they are bilingual) and take them out side, both dogs will immediately go out, drop and pee no messing around, then they will wander back in again job done all happy.
With Moto no problem, if he needs again he will let me know....with princess however it really depends on her mood, seriously if you dont do what she wants she will make you a small gift and seemingly simply because she wants you to have to clean it up!

Odd I know, but as I said im sure she does it through choice and not need.
 

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I did consider this but the odd thing is she doesnt do it outside. Outside she will drop the mother of all pees and ge it all out in one shot generally, maybe on the way there and back a couple of little ones.

In house however she just seems to do it when the mood takes her. Ive tried finding some structure to her actions and it does to me seem to be a purely mental choice matter as opposed to anything else. In which case im perplexed as to how I should go about persuading her otherwise. Tried and tested methods dont seem to work with my little madam, shes a will unto herself when it comes to leaving gifts around.

Sometimes she will make a poop thats the size of dime, I will just stumble across it and look at her, she looks at me watching intently as if to say "how you like that big guy" and I wonder at the gift in sheer frustration. Just cant get her figured out at all on this!

Did you ever have a pup and wonder whos training who? When she does it she watches me as I discover them, intently, fascinatedly as if to gauge whats going on in my head, its like some odd game of poop/puddle and study to her.
 

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I dont use crates, never liked them and I have never found a genuine need for them myself.

My sister is using them for her Siberians, but my dogs are lightyears ahead in training terms :D
 

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Carrie said:
I dont use crates, never liked them and I have never found a genuine need for them myself.

My sister is using them for her Siberians, but my dogs are lightyears ahead in training terms
Why do you not like crates? They are perfectly humane and not only can the help with training, they also ensure your dogs safety while you are away..they are also a requirement for shipping dogs and for dogs at shows or working events.

As far as your comment on your dogs being lightyears ahead of your sisters in training terms...not sure why you feel that applies in this situation..you claim your female is not potty trained..people offered advice on how to train..and now you come back stating you have the most well trained dogs ever..hmm...

Out of curiosity..how much experience have you had training dogs...bull breeds in particular? For someone who claims to be full of training knowledge, it surprises me you have been unable to potty train your female.
Why should I need a crate when a dog can be trained well without it. I dont like them because I dont like sticking a dog in a crate when I dont need to do it. Humane or not I dont LIKE them and I wont use them simply for that reason because I have no need to do so. Each to their own.
How much experience have I had, a lifetime, is that enough? Combined with good study, good reading, good advice and practice its just fine.

Next up, TRAINING is far more than just potty training so consider that before making trite comments please. I freely admit i have ONE dog who is problematic to house train. But then I have a second male who perfect, could walk off the lead beside a busy road if I chose to do so, will come to call in a park with 15 dogs running around him. Will sit and stay as long as I so choose to have him do so, can fetch and retrieve not only at the moment of throwing but also sit and then retrieve on command.
Now consider that this dog is also only 5 months old and you can see that I have more than enough training knowledge.

Add to the fact that outside her odd potty behavior my bitch has EXACTLY the same training level as the he does and ill warrent you wont find very many dogs at that age even close to their level of training. All done with non aggresion methods and trained DUAL without separation.

They arent only lightyears ahead of hers but ahead of almost every single dog I know at that age.

The difference between myself and some people is that when I do encounter a situation which methods are not working for, I seek further advice suggestion and tips from others who might have run across a similar thing or have another method.

Sadly sometimes all you get is rudenss and trite comment in response. Thankfully thats not always the case.
 

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Carrie said:
I don't want to be involved in a pi**ing match and rarely ever do I...ask anyone on this forum...they will tell you I am nothing but nice, helpful and knowledgable to the people who are legitimately asking for help. I was never rude or "trite" with you, until you were that way with me.

For the record...I was just offering you potty training advice...the methods I described are fail free if done correctly and consistantly. You can choose to try them..or not.
At which point was I trite or rude to you? I did not post anything that was in any way intended to be trite or rude and I had no idea anything I wrote would have been taken that way.

I stated I dont like crates myself, i didnt say that in any way critical to you or your methods!
 

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"Why should I need a crate when a dog can be trained well without it."

Cuz she's not getting trained without it. One of the things crating makes much easier is potty training because each time she gets to soil in the house you're training her to soil in the house as effectively as training her not to soil in the house.

Look - take your ego out of training this dog. She's not doing it to spite you, we're not trying to show you up. Approach training with humility and an open mind and it becomes so much clearer and more logical and straightforward.

So far you've said;

my dog is not housetrained
I think it's spite.
thanks for your advice but I'm not taking it even though Iasked because I am sure I know why my dog is not housetrained.
no I won't crate because I don't think it's necessary.
by the way my dog is pissing in the house - how do I fix that? Any ideas?


Ya okay then.
Paula
First of all, if you wish to be rude, dont answer at all. Im weary of it. Second I didnt take your methods not because of spite or because I didnt appreciate the comments but simply because they werent of any use.

Everything you suggested are the basics of housetraining which I have long since tried. The point is that normal methods are NOT WORKING with her very well and I was wondering if anyone had any new, different or alternates.

Instead you march in, lecture me on dog basics and then get shirty when I dont actually need those particular suggestons.

As for crate training. You dont start crate training a 5 month old dog just because housebreaking is a little slow. Crate training should begin with the breeder and be carried on all the way through. Even if it wasnt late in the day, I have already POLITELYstated I do not like crate training its not a method I presonally choose or have had need for. Whats you problem with that?

"Approach training with humility and an open mind"

What is that supposed to mean?

For anyone whos interested in giving serious advice and not behaving like this, im happy to listen. Really im wondering if anyone has any new or different methods I can try, ive been through the rule book on basics and the best methods but shes not going so well.
 

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Ok both of you. Look through this thread and please tell me at which point I was ever rude or disrespectful to either of you.

I wasnt. if you like Ill point out a post from each of you in which you took to being rather unsavoury in your responses in my direction however.

Enough said on this, I have no idea what goes on in the world sometimes.
 

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PaulaEdwina said:
I didn't think you were rude but I do think you're cocky. You have a lot of opinions for someone who can't get his b-witch to stop pissing in the house. I was just reading your treatise to Peter C about how he's irresponsible and inexperienced with regards to his pits -which by the way are American Bulldogs.

If you were a dog I'd say you're a belligerent beta. You want to be alpha but you don't have the balls.

You're starting to get on my damned nerves so I'm walking away.
Paula
And once again your manners are sadly lacking.

Its odd because in one breath you claim vast experience and yet you have never come across a pup that has a certain behavior thats odd or goes against normal training? I find this very hard to believe.

You then claim its good to gain knowledge from others exprience but all you can do is make snyde comments about others training abilities when someone asks for advice. LOL

I think the truth come out here, you are very protective of PeterC and simply dont like me because the guiys attituide and methods horrify me.

I could make some odd comment about you personally as you did, but really im not going to drop to that level of ignorance despite provocations. i aks my dogs not to do it, so ill follow suit. Im pleased you will leave the thread and sad your joined it in the first place. Goodbye.
 

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Carrie said:
You obviously haven't tried every standard method of potty training this female. You haven't tried the leash method or crate training..these methods are FAIL PROOF if done correctly. You make claims of all this knowledge and don't understand the very basic of training methods.. You can crate train a dog at any age...crating is not just for potty training. It is a safety tool as well for while you are away (so your dog doesn't decide to tear apart the house or eat something it shouldn't) Dogs enjoy crates..they are den animals..a crate is thier safe zone. It isn't cruel and it sure doesn't mean someone is a terrible trainer if they use one. Crates can be used for raod trips, motels, shows...the list goes on and on..

Anyway..I don't know why I waste my breath. It seems you are already the "all knowing pitbull trainer" and nothing anyone says here will matter to you. Feel free to use the search button of this forum for training advice....potty training has been covered a dozen times...maybe you will find something new there.
Im not sure why i respond to you as you clealry havent anything polite of decent to offer anyone.

Actually maybe I understand it better than you?

Crate training is a full training method affecting every part of the dogs training and I dont WANT crate training. So, when looking for a new trick to help with ONE aspect of potty training ONE dog, why would I jump at the chance to take crate training now?

I considered crate training and decided againt it long before I took these pups. Why would I go back to it now to help with potty training a pup at 5 months?

Id rather be patient if thats what it takes and she will grow out of it in a couple of months without imposing such a drastic change of measures on both my dogs.

Forgive me for believing that to be a more reasonable approach....

Crate training is no better than standard methods. I have always done just fine without it and with Moto the male im doing just perfectly well also. They sleep in their own dog bed in our room, without needing to be crated up for the night. They have never chewed a shoe, or a piece of furniture or anything else. The occasional nibble on the skiriting is all. So why is it so unreasonable for someone not to choose crate training when its really not needed?

It would be overkill just to speed up housetraining in one stubborn female pup!
 
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