[OrsonDogge]

Found out some about Orson's lineage. His grandfather is 100% english bulldog and grandmother is half english bulldog/ half APBT mix. So would Orson's sire be 75% EB and 25% APBT?? Is that mix an OEB? His dam is a generation Olde english bulldogge. What do I really have?? Can I still call my boy an OEB?

 

[maryserratos]

Yes, he is still an OEB. His Sire sounds like a first generation cross. Did the breeders provide you with any registration papers on him?

 

[OrsonDogge]

Yes, I got papers from the NBA (national bulldogge assoc.)
So Orson is definatly not 100% generation oeb, more like a new oeb breed line?
Orson has had surgery for a luxating patella which is hereditary and very common in english bulldogs,
I wondered where that was passed from, now I have a clue since he has lots of EB in him.
And answers my questions on why he looks different from most oeb (to me he does,
to me he looks more like a bully american bulldog).
-Sara

 

[tohall]

Ummm, you can call him whatever you want, but he is a mixed breed dog.
It doesn't make him any less of a dog.

 

[maryserratos]

Yes, I got papers from the NBA (national bulldogge assoc.)
So Orson is definatly not 100% generation oeb, more like a new oeb breed line?
Orson has had surgery for a luxating patella which is hereditary and very common in english bulldogs,
I wondered where that was passed from, now I have a clue since he has lots of EB in him.
And answers my questions on why he looks different from most oeb (to me he does,
to me he looks more like a bully american bulldog).
-Sara

Go over to the IOEBA.net, they will have alot of info for you. There is alot of OEB breeders there that will answer your questions. There are still some first generation crosses happening, even now. Do I agree with it?? Not really. But I can't control what other people choose to do with their dogs. You can also read up on the different breeds mixed to make the OEB. You will see that APBT, AB, EB, even mastiff are in the make of one. Your dog is an OEB.

 

[Carrie]

I second Mary..your dog is an OEB. His sire is an F1 OEB while his dam is generational...he is a legitimate OEB. The OEB is such a new breed, there are many first generation crosses being made still. There are multiple registries for the breed and multiple lines that are made up of American Bulldog, APBT, or Mastiff crossed with English Bulldog as a foundation (nowadays there seems to be multiple percentages and crosses of all).

As far as luxating patella, that can come from any of the foundation breeds in OEB, it isn't linked to just the EB blood.

 

[OrsonDogge]

Thanks everyone for all the input! I agree, he is still a great dog
but I also feel a little dupped cause I thought I was paying high dollar
for a line OEB not a first generation mix. I got one that is only truely
half generation oeb with lots of EB. I don't even know what line his
oeb side is, ex: hermes,levitt or somebody elses version.
After I got him, I read about alot of people mixing EBs and pits or
americans and ebs and calling them oeb and selling them
for high price, which isn't a true olde. I thought since he was
registered he wasn't one on those mixes, but apparently some
will register whatever. Anyways, he is just a pet and not going to
be breed. I would do it all over again, I would not have bought him
cause I wouldn't trade him for a true OEB for the world!!!

 

[credit]

why does it matter.
call the dog a bulldog and you can't go wrong

 

[ScottB]

I am not sure what you paid, but a 'pet' quality OEB from a decent bloodline will start around $2k. Yes, you can find them cheaper - I have a fairly narrow definition of what a decent bloodline means. I have seen bulldogges imported from European stock that cost the buyer $7-10K. Obviously peoples expectations differ on what high dollar can be when talking OEBs, but I am trying to put things into perspective for you as a buyer.

Scott

 

[OrsonDogge]

Yes, I paid around what a "pet" quality OEB is, but no decent bloodlines since he is only half bloodline oeb.
That money is gone, not getting it back...
but I LOVE MY BULLY MUTT regardless!!!!! :love7:

 

[Chris]

OEB's are such a bastardized breed at this point call your dog what you want to call him. Breeders can pretty much register anything as an OEB with very few questions asked. There is so much variance in what is considered "standard" for this breed its pretty pointless to try to pigeonhole it.

Bottom line is there are lots of 'alternative' bulldogs out there, and as long as you end up with a healthy dog that your happy with thats all that matters. Due to the fact that there is so much grey area in what is considered an OEB your gonna run into alot of people that will call your dog a mutt, or a cross breed or whatever but does it really matter? Alot of time you get breeders who can act very condescending, I call them dog snobs. Just don't pay attention to them.

 

[OrsonDogge]

Wow...that is exactly what I have been thinking after a year of research on my dog's so-called breed. It is a mess out there!
I like that.."alternative bulldog"...I think I'm gonna use it! :wink: