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That sounds really weird but I don't think it sounds like mange. When my dog had it, it wasn't moist. THe skin gets red and irritated and the hair falls out. You may want to go to the vet. Maybe it's a fungal, or yeast problem.

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Demodex mange here

Diesel had quite a few spots. The vet gave us a topical ointment for it, but we also discovered he was anemic so he has been on iron drops. When we took him off of the iron drops it got worse. Putting him back on the drops and applying the topical has cleared him up. We got great news from his last scraping, no live mites and 1 dead one.

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Tank has had some bald spots and his hair thining I took him to the vet hid did some scraping and came back saying it was mange (demodex) he gave me mitoban, antibiotics (amoxicillin wc 731), medicated shampoo (chlorketo), gentaved, aller-chlor do u guys think that this is too much medication? does this demodex mange go away and if it does how long does it take?

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Crap... I think my dogs might have mange. I HOPE NOT!! Well you know Nala has HAD a rash since I've gotten her. I noticed a few spots on Heaven, but she didn't seem to be scratching so I thought it was just from playing in the grass. Now Koa is covered with a rash and he's losing hair!!!! I noticed a couple spots last week, but today it's REALLY noticeable. Oh no!! What if Nala had it and it spread to all of them!? I called the vet, she said it's "high flea season" so most of their complaints right now are for flea allergies. I haven't seen any fleas, but I really hope that's all it is. My poor babies. I'm gonna give them all a good scrub today and apply their flea medicine and see if that helps. Koa's is the worst, so he's going in on Monday. Nala's getting shots on Tuesday. Let's see what they have first, before I rush Heaven in too. She's the least affected. Probably because they never play with her.

Oh I hope this clears up fast. :( I was just about to take pictures too. Maybe after their baths.

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my bout with red mange (demadex)

I know this is an old post but i wanted to tell about my expeirience with demadex mange in hopes that it might help somebody. I took 9 of my dogs to the vet to get thier vabies shots and a general checkup. I went knowing that one of my mutts had red mange (demadex) and i wasnt sure what it was gonna take to cure it. 3 skin scrapings later and i had 1 confirmed case and 2 possibles. The vet told me that each dog would have to get a minimum of 3 dips each with a possibility of having to get more. At $65 a dip i was looking at quite a bit of money so he gave me another option. He sold me a can of TACTIC which is the same medicine he uses in the dip but at livestock strengh. The TACTIC cost me $70 and all you need is 9cc in 2gallons of water to dip the dog. I was told to dip my dog every 2 weeks for a total of 3 dips. The first dip had a really adverse affect on quennies skin it looked like her skin was really sore and tight and she didnt want to walk around much. Her second dip went much better by the time i dipped her the second time her skin wasnt as red as it first was and all the scabs had stopped bleeding and her balding had all together ceased. By the time i dipped her for the 3rd and final time her scabs had but dissappeared and her skin was back to normal and she had the peach fuzz of new growing hair. A month after her final dip and you would never have known she had a demadex reaction. The vet told me that demadex isnt curable, once your dog has it it'll allways have it and could pass it on if bred. He told me that i'll have to be careful that she might get an outbreak every 3 months or she may never get one again i'll just have to be prepared for if and when it does.

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more information about demodectic mange


The following is born of my experience and reading. It has worked for dogs
that have come to us.

DO NOT use any cortisones/steroids. This will only make the mange much


The dips usually make it worse, especially in short haired dogs for some
reason. The dips are only effective with certain dogs and in certain cases.
When it is localized (in just a few spots) and there is no open sores or
skin irritation, the dips may be effective, but even then I do not go that
route. The pesticide route thinks "Hey, there are too many bugs. Poison
kills bugs. Lets give lotsa poison." This idea makes logical sense enough,
but there is really not much practical application with demodex - All dogs
have demodex mange mites on them. There is a balance, and things work out
just fine. However, some breeds, or more correctly, types of dogs seem more
predisposed to having mange mite infestations (out of balance) and the
resulting skin irritations and infections. Short haired dogs, dogs with
wrinkles, and some long hair double-coated dogs seem to get mange more than
other breed/types. Sadly, Pit Bull type dogs seem to have the perfect makeup
for those pesky lil mites.

It is a cycle - and the pesticides only perpetuate the cycle. It is somewhat
of a paradox - you administer the dips or ivermectin to kill the mites. It
does, but it also weakens the dog's immune system, thus making the dog more
likely for infection, over yeast production and - yep - demodex!

There is not one cause or one treatment, but rather a process, as it all
seems connected. It is not easy but it is simple, if that makes any sense.

First - Stop giving any chemical treatments. No ivermectin. No dips. Do not
apply any flea or tick preventative, and do not vaccinate. We are trying to
take these types of stresses as much away as possible. This many not be
needed for dogs with small, "localized", non-infected mange spots - but for
dogs that have red bumps, generalized thinning fur, and mange spots that are
larger than a sliver dollar, or mange on several parts of the body - please
ad hear to this suggestion.

Second - Diet. Mange mites feast and thrive on body yeast and unhealthy
skin. Also, the yeast overproduction with make for itchy skin that the dog
will scratch hoping for relief. Instead, it will only damage the skin
further and initiate infection - all things that make a great mite

Get the dog on a simple raw meat diet. There are so many ingredients even in
the top of the line high-quality kibbles that, especially with a short
haired dog and even more so with a Pit Bull type - can perpetuated, if not
cause completely serious allergy and skin irritations. Kibble can cause or
contribute to the skin yeast over production, as well. One common sign of
yeast is a red or clay looking color on the dog's claws, usually with the
dogs chewing uncomfortably at their paws. Red areas around the eyes, lips,
nose, and ears can also be yeast and/or food allergy. Sometimes it is seen
around the genitalia, as well. The forehead seems a common first-sign area,
too. There can be a noticeable odor... and that is yeast.

So, cut out the kibble completely. There are many ways to make feeding raw
as cheap or even much less expensive than feeling dry kibble. Our diet
section of the forum has some great posts and information, and I am happy to
share my experiences or suggestions too... just ask!

With the raw as part of helping clear up mange, KEEP IT SIMPLE. No dairy at
all, please. The dairy, even in the forum of yogurt, can engender yeast
production. Just go with raw chicken/beef/lamb/fish - whichever you can get
the best deal on. Do NOT feed salmon or trout raw - it can make a dog very
seriously ill. I would avoid turkey, as in my experience is substantial
instances of dogs being allergic to it. It may be just great later, but
while trying to to an overhaul on the pup's immune system and treat the
mange, we are going to avoid the turkey. No pork, please. There are many
reasons I say this, and others disagree, but I will only give advice that I
would take. So, no pork. I will happily explain why I think this, but not
this time around, as I often digress when I start talking about the details
of feeding raw!

Give an egg a day - raw, and crumple up the shells with your fingers and
throw them into the mix. The calcium that the shells offer is great, but as
far as the yeast is concerned, the biotin in the shells is invaluable. It
will help to being the yeast balance back.

Olive and/or fish oil in the food, or as a capsule supplement. This helps
the skin and coat, but the fish oil also gives both omega 3 and 6 fatty
acids. (Which are good! The 6's can be overdone, but the oils contain less
of the 6's than the 3's. Both, in good moderation, are great for a dog.)

Give a clove of raw garlic a day - after feeding. The garlic will secrete
out of the dog's skin, and will act as a mild natural pesticide. This helps
with fleas, as well.

Third - Supplement. This is where I have read, reread, and experimented.
Here is what I have so far...

Give 500mg of vitamin C twice a day, after food. Give one ProBiotic capsule
a day, after the first meal (this is non dairy based, and has the goodies
that people generally use yogurt for). Give a vitamin B supplement as
directed on the bottle for a humans daily dose. A biotin supplement should
be given twice a day, after meals, as should spirulina, and a dog

Offer a chewable calcium supplement with no sugar after both meals (like
TUMS - non flavored).

Get the dog on Benedryl. This will help stop the itching, which perpetuates
the yeast problem and can cause or contribute to skin infections.

Find a supplement of melotonin and valarian root. Give this at night, after
the night meal. The mel with bring down some adrenalin levels (which can
aggravate the mange) and will help encourage hair growth. The valarian will
cause a calming sensation, and helps to encourage a good slumber - instead
of pup being up itching. Good solid sleep without itching does pretty
remarkable things for healing a stressed immune system.

You can find supplements that have mel and valarian together. Use the human
dose, and follow the directions on the bottle.

Keep the pup on Cephelexin (antibiotic), 500mg twice a day. Do this until
every last bit of mange evidence is gone. Also, run out to your local feed
store and snag a bag of Terrmycine. It is a very mild antibiotic commonly
used as a preventative with livestock during travel or stress. Add a tea
spoon of the powder to a gallon of water and use this for the dog's water.
Keep these ratios, and continue for two weeks. This really seems to help.

Fourth - Topicals. This is where it gets a bit tricky and a bit fun. One
thing you may be battling in addition to the yeast is fungus. The treatments
that I explain here will help with that, as well. Something to know, though.

While you are out at the feed store picking up the Terrmycine, snag a bottle
of iodine shampoo. It will usually have a picture of a horse on it, and it
is rather inexpensive. Gather the essential oils (and I mean the REAL
thing - the perfumes are a totally different deal and will harm the dog. If
you would like for me to order and send you actual essential oils, just let
me know. The price is not very high) for lavender, rosemary, eucalyptus, tea
tree, and peppermint. These are wonderful for the skin, but also act as
natural buggie killers. Also, get these fresh, if you can. Mix the essence
oils with either olive oil or caster oil. Apply topically several times a
day, and in liberal amounts. Be sure that the oil is making it to the skin,
and favor spots that are dry, flaky, sore, red, or bumpy. Make sure to get
in between the toes and under the base of the nails.

Get white vinegar - apple cider is the best. Cut it 50/50 and put it in a
spray bottle. Apply it topically, either with the spray bottle or on a rag,
to the dog twice a day. Yes, this is messy and involves a lot of work. Your
dog will smell interesting, what with all of the essential oils and vinegar,
but PLEASE know that this helps out amazingly. The vinegar kills yeast, and
does so rather effectively. If the ears are not healthy, vinegar and water
will help greatly.

If the yeast is super-bad: Monostat -7. Make sure that it is the "7", as I
have been told that it is milder. Administer on feet, ears, and 'hot spots'
where the mange seems the worst. follow the directions on the box for how
long to use the product. I do not have much experience with this part of it,
so this is pretty much all that I have to say about it.

Now, if you have the fresh herbal ingredients listed above, put a generous
amount into a small pot with clean water.Add a handful of (actual) sea salt.
PLEASE add comfry root or leaves, as it does nothing short of amazing with
healing the skin. Boil the water for 5 minutes, and then cover with a lid or
plate, and let sit. You are making a skin tea. After this brew is cooled off
enough to touch comfortably, but is still warm, apply it topically. Use a
clean rag to make a compress, and hold the tea rag up against some of the
worst spots. You will see remarkable improvement with just a few

Fifth - BATH TIME! Once every few days, it is time for a warm bath. Add a
handful of sea salt to the bath, and feel free to add a few drops of your
above essential oils. Do not use any soaps. Use the iodine shampoo if there
is any red bumps, sores, or open spots on the skin. This will help treat
possible or existing skin infection. If not, then do not use it. Scrub well
with the warm bathwater to help rinse off the prior days' oils and vinegars,
and to clean off skin yeast, dead skin and follicles, and (hopefully) dead
mites. It also may stimulate some hair growth. Do a mild vinegar rinse
before getting out. Do not bathe more than once every three days, and later
make the time much longer. Over bathing can cause more damage than good, as
it dries out the skin and causes more oil production from pooch. Such a

Sixth - Surroundings. Do not use wool bedding. Not sure why, but it seems to
cause harm. Do not use Fabreeze, Simple Green, or other good smellin'
chemicals. Stop using as many chemicals as possible - stick to good ole'
bleach. Use stainless steel food and water bowls, as the plastic can harbor
bacteria, engender allergic response, and hold fungus spores. SUN... get out
and in the sun and fresh air. This really helps. However, do not expose pup
to harsh sun or for long periods. Sensitive and healing skin needs not to
battle a sunburn, too!

Follow the above to the best of your ability. It is not an exact science,
and do not be scared to experiment a bit and find what works best for you
and the pup.

If ears are bad, have the vet give you Otibiotic or Genotic B-C ear drops.
Works really well.

If eyes are red, swollen, or have a discharge, snag a tube of the terrmycin
eye gel while at the feed store. Put a small ribbon in the eye twice a day.
Do NOT use any cortisones in the eyes without a vet administered "ink test".
If there is any scratching on the eye due to swelling and irritation, the
cortisone will cause serious harm.

You will see REMARKABLE difference within two weeks.... Sometimes the hair
loss/thinning will get worse before it gets better, but you will see that
the skin is healing and is less red.


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mild mange


This was posted on a now defunct message board by Steph, some very good information here that should not be lost.

Mild demodex mange may clear up all on its own. This is something to
remember. In a dog that does not have allergies, battles with yeast, or
immune system stresses, a simple switch to raw diet and mild TLC may
eleminate the mild mange problem.

Demodex mange mites live on all dogs, but generally there is a balance and
the dog will never experience any discomfort or breakouts. Stess to the
immune system, general enviromental stress or change, allergies, or crowded
situations (a shelter, for instance) can bring on mild mange outbreaks.
Usually mild mange is "localized", meaning it is isolated to one or a few
small spots on the dog. Face, forehead, ears, tail, and legs are common
places for localized mange outbreaks.

Localized mange can become worse. It can become more generalized or turn
into a serious mange problem. This is not due to the nature of demodex but
rather the conditions of the dog (which is effected by exterior attributes
and genetic predispositions). It is important to understand that when
treating for mange you are treating the dog - not the mange. The goal is not
to kill as many mange mites and eggs as possible, but rather to use
treatments with the dog to get the balance back to "normal". (Which in turn
does kill mange mites.)

First noticable signs of mange may consist of a small (penny to sliver
dollar sized) spot of what looks like dried skin. There may be hair loss on
those spots. Also, you may notice thinning fur in some areas, like the
forehead or tail. Other signs to consider are not signs of demodex, but
rather of yeast and/or allergy, which go hand in hand with demodex. These
signs are red or swollen eyelids, lips, ears, belly area, and paws. Ears
that have brown buildup and/or scratches on the inside or backs are probably
suffering from yeast production and, commonly, a mange mite outbreak. Yeast
on the skin and ears encourage mange.

So... dry/itchy spots? Small bald spots? Yeast/allergy has cause concern for
mange? Dog just came from shelter and there are thin spots in fur? Here are
some suggestions:

Think critically about what has been going on in the past few weeks. What
has changed? Are there any new stresses? Have you started feeding a new
food, different treats, using new cleaning chemicals, new laundry detergent,
or have anything new in your regular routine? Mange problems can be brought
on by allergies or situational stess. If you can think of any possible
cause(s), try removing them or changing before implementing other

Run out to your local feed store and buy a bag of Terramycin. It is a yellow
powder - a mild antibiotic. Put one teaspoon to a gallon of water. Use this
ratio, and use the mix as your dog's water for two weeks.

Switch to a raw meat diet. Keep it really simple until all of the spots are
completely clear and hair has grown back. Use one type of meat. Also use one
raw egg a day. Crumble up the shells and add them in. The calcum in the
shells is great, but the biotin is really invaluable as it helps to regulate
the yeast.

DO NOT FEED DAIRY, not even yogurt. It produces skin yeast. Also, steer
clear of feeding vinegar, as it turns into a sugar when digested and can
produce yeast, as well.

DO NOT use any oatmeal-type shampoos or soaps - as they can cause mild
allergic reactions with already needy and sensitive skin.

Get the dog on a good dog multivitamin. Give a sugarless calcium supplement
as well (like unflavored TUMS).

Give one clove of fresh garlic after a meal. The garlic will act as a mild
natural bug repellant, and is secreted out of the dog's skin.

Give benydril twice a day - this will help the dog not to scratch. The
scratching stimulates yeast production and can also engender skin infection.
Irritated skin can cause the mange to become more serious.

Make a mix of eucalyptus, rosemary, lavender, peppermint, and tea tree oil.
Use the actual essential oil, not perfume. Mix the above oils with olive oil
or castor oil. Apply directly to affected skin, and apply liberally. Do this
at least twice a day. These oils are good for the skin, but will also kill

Make a mix of white vinegar (apple cider is the best) and water at 50/50
ratio. Cover affected skin and red/swollen areas at least once a day. Leave

Once every 5 days or more give a warm bath. Throw in a handful of sea salt
and some of the above oils when making the bath. Do not use any shampoos or
soaps. Just scrub well with very warm water, and then rinse with the above
mentioned vinegar mix.

Ask your vet for ResiCHLOR. It is a leave-in lotion that is an antimicrobial
and antiseptic. It containes chlorhexidine gluconate (2%). Put this on any
affected spots, and leave it on. Wash hands and do not pet those spots until
the lotion has dried.

Oregano oil both orally and topically may help eleminate yeast and is also
an effective bacteria killer.

If after 2 weeks of treatment you do not see any changes or if things seem
to be getting worse, there are two options that I suggest. Both are viable.
The first is to skip preimptivly to the steps for caring for a serious mange
problem. The second is trying topical ivermectin along side the above
suggestions for mild mange treatment.

For the ivermectin: Visit the vet for a skin scrape. If there are a high
number of live mites, consider in addition to the above treatments, adding
.1cc of Ivermectin to 1cc of the above oil mix. Use this topically twice a
day on affected areas.

IMPORTANT: DO NOT get any on your skin. Put pooch in a crate after putting
on the ivermectin and oil mix for at least 20 minutes, and do not let
children around the dog for 2 hours.

Continue this treatment for 2 weeks. Note that when using ivermectin, you
may notice more hair loss before things get better. Think chemotherapy for
cancer - ivermectin is a stron chemical that harms as well as helps. This is
why treating serious demodex (especially orally) with ivermectin can
perpetuate the mange problem rather than help. Ivermectin is not tolorated
well by all dogs, as well.

After two weeks, get another skin scraping done by your vet. You should see
the number of live mites go down. If the number has not gone down, continue
another 2 weeks. Get another skin scraping. As soon as you get a scraping
with less live mites, stop treating with the ivermectin and continue with
the above treatment until all of the mange spots and thin fur has ceased.

If the mange spreads to large patches, the fur becomes very thin or thin in
many places, or if there is significan blading and redness/bumps/open sores,
please read my suggestions for Help For Serious Mange.


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My 7 month old has had "red mange" since 3 months old - she had scrapings that showed mites. She has been on antibiotics and special shampoo and the dips were suppose to be next. After 3 months of antibiotics, I read about fishoil capsules with the omega 3 and 6 helping the hot spots and skin. It's been a month and I give her a capsule everyday and she has had no breakouts! It's been wonderful!!!


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Anyone use Neem oil to help with demodex?

Also, I invented a "medicated" shampoo. Madi was itching like crazy yesterday so I decided 4 days without bathing was all she could handle. I didn't want to use the harsh medicated shampoo I bought, so I improvised.

I mixed a tablespoon of Nolvasan and a tablespoon of baby shampoo. It got rid of the itchies and her coat looks great.
We'll see if it seems to help over the next few days.

Anyone else experiment with topicals or orals in their battle with demodex?

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actually, we had been fighting a case of what we belive is sarcoptic mange since we've had our pup now.
First we had a dose of Revolution..this was WORHTLESS btw. Now we're into week one of our first ivermectin shot..this has had a good response.
I was having a moderately amount of sucess with a product by Natural Care Veterinarian's Best called "FLake and Itch Relief Foam" it contains:Aloe Vera, MSM, lechitin, Neem Oil, Grapefruit seed extract, oriental cyprus, vitamin c, vitamin E and natural fragrance. Awesome stuff, it seems to soothe the itching and kept the hail loss under control.
I quit applying the foam after the Revolution for fear it would wash off the mite-killing product, but really wish I'd have stuck with it now,

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Demodex mange

When I bought my mix pit she had this. The first vet had me use antibiactics and Pyoben ( Anitmicrobal Kertatolytic Follicular Flushing) shampoo.
It got better, but didn't go away. Found a new vet and used tactic once a week and and this same shampoo every 3 days and in 4 weeks it was gone.
The hardest place to get it cleared up is on the feet.


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Question... How long does it take for the "mange" to take affect?

Keller had developed red spots on his forehead, paw and a little spot on his tummy about 6 weeks ago. We thought it might have been allergies to food, so we switched him from Puppy Chow to Nutro Natural Choice. The vet said it seemed like "dry skin" or an allergic reaction, so she put him on Predisone. It's now 6 weeks later, and the majority of the spots have healed fine, with the exception of his forehead. It looks a little better, but not a GREAT improvement. I'm told that if it was food allergies it might take about 2 months to clear up.

I'm thinking that if it were really mange it would have gotten worse by now...

What are you thoughts? Anyone?
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