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a little foundation work. in my world this is what "training" looks like. (sorry no "bully's this week)

gage, foundation work (please note the depth of bite and targeting for such a green dog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60HowxveQLk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-1A0k5CrPg

gage, sit in motion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK6I8fu96_U

and this is cj, only have retrieve work
:scratch: the other videos seem to have gone somewhere in my computer and i can't find them :scratch: :scratch:
fyi, i believe this dog is for sale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQOd7JNcaE
 

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Hey, can I ask what you're training it for? I mean, I see the bite, I see the sleeve, then the guy runs away. What's the purpose? (not nasty, just ignorant and don't know).
 

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Cinder said:
Hey, can I ask what you're training it for? I mean, I see the bite, I see the sleeve, then the guy runs away. What's the purpose? (not nasty, just ignorant and don't know).
no problem!
gage is a young dog that has, pretty much, just started his bitework. the reason for presenting the sleeve then running off is to help build his drive, he wants it and he wants it BAD. you will notice that when he does actually get the opportunity to get ahold of the decoy he doesn't waste any time grabbin that guy. not only does he grab him but he grabs him with a full and solid bite, that guy ain't goin anywhere!
 

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Cinder said:
Hey, can I ask what you're training it for? I mean, I see the bite, I see the sleeve, then the guy runs away. What's the purpose? (not nasty, just ignorant and don't know).
no problem!
gage is a young dog that has, pretty much, just started his bitework. the reason for presenting the sleeve then running off is to help build his drive, he wants it and he wants it BAD. you will notice that when he does actually get the opportunity to get ahold of the decoy he doesn't waste any time grabbin that guy. not only does he grab him but he grabs him with a full and solid bite, that guy ain't goin anywhere!
Oh, ok! So that (running away) isn't normal. It's a teaching tool. So what would happen in a real time situation?
 

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Oh, ok! So that (running away) isn't normal. It's a teaching tool. So what would happen in a real time situation?
this is very much a prey drive exercise. building the dogs drive for the bite is an important step in training. this dog is training for schutzhund work. real time, well foundation all starts out the same. it doesn't really change until the foundation is sound.
i honestly think that gage has the "attitude" for pp work (he is a dink ) but i don't know if he will ever see any street work.


p.s. most people when confronted with a dog lookin like this will "run away" :lol:
 

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While I admire the work and dedication it takes to train a guard dog...

I prefer the'visual deterrant' Celeste presents :D . Now if I could only teach her NOT to wag her tail on command...er, and to look just a wee bit meaner... :wink:
 

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most of the video that i post is not "guard dog" video it is sport work. there is a world of difference. i do not, at this time, know anyone that is training a pp dog
 

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When I have the opportunity I will post my protection work. You will see Atticus protect me from the hot dog of doom, my carne asada burrito, some clothes hangers and the laundry! It's very vicious stuff!
 

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When I have the opportunity I will post my protection work. You will see Atticus protect me from the hot dog of doom, my carne asada burrito, some clothes hangers and the laundry! It's very vicious stuff!
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the "hot dog of doom" oh my lord! i think we have those in this city too!
 

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attitude said:
Cinder said:
When I have the opportunity I will post my protection work. You will see Atticus protect me from the hot dog of doom, my carne asada burrito, some clothes hangers and the laundry! It's very vicious stuff!
:laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3:
the "hot dog of doom" oh my lord! i think we have those in this city too!

They are HORRID beings, I tell you. I'm so blessed to have this fine specimen of anger to reduce the HDOD (hot dog of doom) to shreds!!
 

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Cinder said:
attitude said:
Cinder said:
When I have the opportunity I will post my protection work. You will see Atticus protect me from the hot dog of doom, my carne asada burrito, some clothes hangers and the laundry! It's very vicious stuff!
:laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3:
the "hot dog of doom" oh my lord! i think we have those in this city too!

They are HORRID beings, I tell you. I'm so blessed to have this fine specimen of anger to reduce the HDOD (hot dog of doom) to shreds!!
LOL :lol:
 

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Nice bites on that dog. Good to see videos posted of dogs actually being taught the proper way to bite. Not enough people care about the quality of the bites on the dogs they are "training". As long as they bite thats all that matters I guess...even if its hanging on with its canines :roll: Just like breeding, it comes down to standards I guess and its obvious alot of people don't have any!

About the sport work vs. personal protection work... I think for the most part you are right, Attitude, but I don't think thats the way SchutZhund was intended to be. If you translate the word "schutzhund" it means protection dog". (I'm sure you knew that just pointing it to the others who may not know). Unfortunately over the years what was once a breed test has been transformed into a "Sport" with sport type training methods. Fortunately there are still a few trainers out there who haven't followed the herd with all these methods and can (and are willing) to promote the characteristics in a dog that would pertain to a real life pp dog. In my travels to various clubs, I have noticed a vast difference in methods of training in Schutzhund alone. Most are all about points and having a correct and compliant dog (even if its kinda weak) that would never bite for real. I think it really depends on the clubs and trainers. Although my club is a "sport" club we do "real life" scenarios also with certain dogs from time to time to mix things up and see in a different light what our dogs are made of. Our trainer is also real big in promoting the traits that bring out the "realness" in the dogs he works. You ever see Ivan Balabanov's videos where he drops the sleeve because the dog wasn't being compliant? In other words to show the dog he's in charge of the "Game" and if the dog doesnt follow the rules the game ends.. Stupid move to make with alot of dogs and purely sporty! I love his ob but not some of his bitework methods. There is alot I like about Schutzhund, but the turn to "sport" and sport type training methods are not one of them. I think it is a real shame what has happened to Schutzhund. With a little tweaking it could be alot better than it is.

Keep posting the videos, having fun watching them!
 

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Lisa.....

I totally agree and have seen the same types of training for the "sport" of it. When we were training Douglas's dog Lodi (which Ivan had done the foundation) we continued the training with me controlling the game! Lodi was a sport dog, but extremely powerful! He had awesome drive for the fight and I believe that if Douglas had chosen, this dog could have easily been a serious street dog. This dog went on to National level competition.

I prefer to cross train (keeping it real) my own dogs and will continue that in the future, I'm not a points person.... I could trial any day and my protection was always in the 90's and pronounced, even if I failed the track or OB it was a good day. :wink:
 

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Great videos.

Well Lisa, about Ivan B, I think it is about winning. Win he does. His methodology, we do use quite frequently. It does work wonders with malinois.
I will say his Advanced Schutzhund is one of the BEST books I have ever read.
 

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Man that dog looks like he could do some serious damage. :shock: Powerful! How do you think Rotties compare to ABs in drive? Equal?
 
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