Need help, what kind of dog do I have???

mschmit · Oct 29, 2006

I got a Bull terrier of some kind from a friend and really don't know what she is?
The story is: My neighbor and friend came into some money and decided he wanted some pit bulls. He got this female for around $125 and she was about 8 weeks old. Then his wife decides she is going to go out of town for about 2-3wks and leave this little puppy out on a chain in the backyard the whole time she was going to be gone!! Myself and her husband were out in the "field" at the time. So my wife said she would take the dog inside our place and take care off it instead of leaving the puppy outside. Well, to make a long story short....we didn't give the dog back!

It has been about 2 years since then and we never really knew what kind of dog she is? She has been the best dog I have ever had. We were told by our friends that she was an inbred pit that came from a mother and son litter! I guess the guy didn't keep separated or something. I don't really know much about dogs or breeding so I have no idea if this is a bad thing or if it is true?

Anyway, we love her to death and just wanted to know what you guys and gals think here about her. She is about 16in tall and weighs about 38-40 pounds.

These are the best pics i have her.

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Rue2 · Oct 29, 2006

I'm so glad you rescued the dog!

She's a Staffordshire Bull Terrier...

Inbreeding is generally NOT a good idea...but breeders will sometimes inbreed if there's a particular trait or characteristic that they want to develop...

Line-breeding is used more often, and is generally a better option - from a genetic point of view (less likely to have issues with deleterious genes), but it may take longer to develop the desired trait...

However, as a pet? If she's a good dog...then she's a good dog! Enjoy her!

crackerbull · Oct 29, 2006

i agree with rue stb...rs

fawn coffee · Oct 29, 2006

crackerbull said:
i agree with rue stb...rs

same here

msvette2u · Oct 30, 2006

Well line breeding IS inbreeding, regardless of what you call it. I'll probably get some people mad by saying that but oh well.
But that dog looks part DACHSHUND to me. Or there's something really wrong with her legs. She's very LONG lengthwise, and has short legs like a doxie. Definately Am Staff or "pit bull" but the other part, could be doxie...

Cookies Mom · Oct 30, 2006

msvette2u said:
Well line breeding IS inbreeding, regardless of what you call it. I'll probably get some people mad by saying that but oh well.
But that dog looks part DACHSHUND to me. Or there's something really wrong with her legs. She's very LONG lengthwise, and has short legs like a doxie. Definately Am Staff or "pit bull" but the other part, could be doxie...

thats what i was thinking. cute though

Rue2 · Oct 30, 2006

I didn't think I needed to get overly detailed about the differences...but this is how I differentiate between the two...

Breeders of purebred livestock have introduced a term, linebreeding, to cover the milder forms of inbreeding. Exactly what the difference is between linebreeding and inbreeding tends to be defined differently for each species and often for each breed within the species. On this definition, inbreeding at its most restrictive applies to what would be considered unquestioned incest in human beings - parent to offspring or a mating between full siblings. Uncle-niece, aunt-nephew, half sibling matings, and first cousin matings are called inbreeding by some people and linebreeding by others.

http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/Inbreeding.html

wrknrott · Oct 30, 2006

msvette2u said:
Well line breeding IS inbreeding, regardless of what you call it. I'll probably get some people mad by saying that but oh well.
But that dog looks part DACHSHUND to me. Or there's something really wrong with her legs. She's very LONG lengthwise, and has short legs like a doxie. Definately Am Staff or "pit bull" but the other part, could be doxie...

Yep, line breeding is without a doubt inbreeding... just to a lesser degree. I always used the coefficient of inbreeding (COI) to determine how closely related a breeding is.

This dog looks like Dachshund to me also!

8)

True_Pits · Oct 30, 2006

I'd like to know how come people thinks she looks like a SBT? I'm not saying she is not isn't or doesn't. I'm saying to me she looks like she could be an American Pit Bull Terrier, its really hard to tell the breeds apart sometimes. She doesn't look like most Staffy Bull's I've seen but I know its possible for her to be one, I've only seen standard ones so of course they are really typy. She does however look like she could have come from an used to be friend of mine who was breeding carver and eli along with some other lines.

She also looks like she is obese and could drop about 5lbs, I'd cut her food and excersize her daily and see how much of a difference that makes. I'd also talk to your vet to see what they recommend and also if she doesn't lose weight with less food/excersize she may have a health problem such as a thyroid problem. Obese dogs live shorter lives and usually have more health problems with age worse joint problems/arthritis because of the weight, heart problems from the strain and other problems that can arise.

Inbreeding isn't bad if you know what you are doing, some dogs should never be bred period no matter what form. Inbreeding brings multiplies traits that are bad and good, what ever the dog is carrying. It can be a good way to build off certain traits and magnify them quickly but may require a lot of culling. Son to mother isn't bad (with the right dogs in the right circumstances), some people believe a myth that you can breed father to daughter but never son to mother and I don't know why. If you see the dog in my signature CH VENOM he is from inbreeding, his sire is from a father/daughter breeding and his dam is from a littermate sister to the above daughter that was bred to her son. The litter produced really nice dogs in it, all the way around.
Linebreeding is inbreeding, just not as close by breeders definitions, linebreeding and used to describe dogs being bred within the same line but not like son/mother or brother/sister.

LoveMy3ABs · Oct 30, 2006

I say Pit x Dauschund, but of course I'm no expert.

Rue2 · Oct 30, 2006

...why does she look like a Staff Bull? Her head for one...quite distinctive. Her size...she's not a large dog. Another point is her proportions.

I'd agree that she's overweight - her legs are thin for her body and she'd look more proportional if she lost some weight.

I have a Dachsie...and I don't see any Dachsie in her at all. Just because it appears she may have short legs doesn't mean she's part Dachsie. I also don't see any Corgi in her either...or any Dandie Dinmont...or any other 'short-legged' breed. Staff Bulls are not a long-legged breed to start with...and she may just have shorter than average legs for that breed.

msvette2u · Oct 30, 2006

I also have a doxie and recently fostered a standard doxie and other than her head this dog looks just like that one.

Jemhidiahssj4 · Oct 30, 2006

Its the head that looks SBT if you cant see it then you dont know what your talking about. Its probably a mutt none the less.

True_Pits · Oct 30, 2006

Rue2 said:
...why does she look like a Staff Bull? Her head for one...quite distinctive. Her size...she's not a large dog. Another point is her proportions.

Her head looks similar to many APBTs also, AST, APBT & SBT can all look very similar. I'm not ruling out that she might be SBT or even a SBT or APBT mix, you never know if this dog came from a byb what it is really.

They said she is 38-40lbs which is heavier then most of my APBTs, but she is a little fat I'd cut probably 8lbs off of her and see which would put her at 30-32lbs. My APBTs range from 25-38lbs. So some would be smaller and others slightly larger.

She is incorectly proportioned for either of the 2 breeds and built very sloppy. Her being overweight makes it harder to tell her structure, but she is not square like she should be nor does she have good balance and proportions.

Jemhidiahssj4 said:
Its the head that looks SBT if you cant see it then you dont know what your talking about. Its probably a mutt none the less.

Yeah right...lol Her head looks like that of an American Pit Bull Terrier (or could be SBT) so I'm not sure what you think your talking about. After 15yrs in the breed, time doesn't always gain you knowledge but after countless hours studying bloodlines, standards, breeders, breed types, pedigrees, history, talking to people who know and having experience myself, ect I think I know what I'm talking about. No need to insult people you don't even know!

She looks very much like the APBTs someone I knew was breeding, the pedigrees mainly consisted of carver dogs, eli, eli jr, bullyson, & bullyson jr. She looks like these dogs in build, stucture, and size.

LegendsMami · Oct 30, 2006

I agree with True Pits her head does look like an APBT. But if she's a mix I'm not sure at all what the other half would be.

True_Pits · Oct 30, 2006

This is for the OP. She does look like she could be a SBT but also looks like she could be an APBT. Both breeds look very similar to one another depending on bloodines and type. These dogs which are either mine, my friends, ancestors of my dogs or well known dogs which are all APBTs that she looks similar to....

That is the dog in question at the top and 2 different dogs at the bottom. Both of them have very similar head shape in comparison to her and also have a similar build and structure, however she is a little long bodied (which is a conformation fault) and also a little overweight so its hard to have a total comparison.

This is her profile compared to that of other APBTs. Her head is the 2 in the middle. Her head again is very similar in shape to these dogs.

This is a front shot of her head compared to several APBTs. Hers is the one in the top middle, which bares a striking resemblence to the dogs heads on the left/right. In 2nd row 1st dog also has a lot in common with her face structurally, the 2nd dog does as well but with cropped ears and the 3rd dog its hard to see definition because of the picture but its still similar. In the 3rd row she is the the 2nd picture and the 3rd picture is an APBT who's head structure is similar.

Yet another angle from the front, she's again in the middle, the APBTs to the left and the right look very similar.

Here are a couple other APBTs that look a bit like her

Here is another APBT that your dog shares a built and structure with minus the faults. She is about 33lbs and 17" tall. Your dog is long bodied, flat backed (most long dogs are flat backed) has poor rear angulation, her feet are also flat and splayed. I'm sure you don't care what faults she may have as she's a pet, but if she had a better structure conformationally this is what she'd very much resemble just make her taller, more angulated, ect and she's look a lot like this APBT. Its also hard to see because of all the excess weight on her.

But who can say, because I don't know what I'm talking about LMAO!!!

This is my 25lbs APBT that people usually call a puppy, but she has also been mistaken for a Staffy a time or two.

This is her half brother same dam, I have a picture of him at a show from the side (where he was pulling on the lead though) where he actually looks a lot like your dog also.

We may not really ever know what breed your dog is. She looks very close to either breed, she could ge either, a cross between the 2 or a mix of either breed. You can check out some SBT breeders website to see pics of them, you will see that she does also look similar to them. Thats the problem with having a bully of unknown breeding, you may never truly know exactly what they are. I just certainly wouldn't rule her out as being an APBT.

LegendsMami · Oct 30, 2006

PRETTY!!!!!!! :love7:

Jemhidiahssj4 · Oct 31, 2006

True_Pits I didnt say you dont know what your talking about I SAID IF YOU CANT SEE SBT IN THAT DOGS HEAD. You said yourself that a STB, or APBT are very similar. You could go either way and say that dog has this that and the other in it but there IS NO WAY TO TELL FOR SURE. I could have said if you cant see the APBT in that dog you dont know what your talking about and you wouldnt have taken offense. Point is there is no way to tell! I could also put about a hundred different pics of SBT's up here that look very similar to that dog.

True_Pits · Oct 31, 2006

Yeah I agree, I could easily find pics of SBT that also look like her and I could find ones that don't, I could also find pics of APBTs that don't look like her. I think their best bet is just to say she is a Pit Bull of some kind and leave it at that.

I guess it just weird to me that a dog who isn't a giant of its breed but average weight is looked at as a SBT and not an APBT.

Jemhidiahssj4 · Oct 31, 2006

yeah well she is a few pounds overweight so that puts her at the upper end for SBT's and the lower end of APBT's. SO yeah either way.

Need help, what kind of dog do I have???

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