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Do you guys recommend petco/petsmark training? My friend is looking for a place for his dog aggressive pit for basic obedience training..
 

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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He needs to find a well established trainer that has worked with aggression issues before!!!!! A Petsmart is good for very basic OB and sometimes not even that
 

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420puffer said:
Do you guys recommend petco/petsmark training? My friend is looking for a place for his dog aggressive pit for basic obedience training..
He needs a veteran trainer/behaviourist and a much more controlled environment than a box store.

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Do you guys recommend petco/petsmark training? My friend is looking for a place for his dog aggressive pit for basic obedience training..
is that Tyson? he's beefed up since last i saw him. looking good!!
 

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my pup

here's the thing...

Kilo is very dog aggressive. He thinks he can take any dog. I'm a newb here so cut me some slack... but I've tried methods portrayed by the "Dog Whisperer" but they don't seem too work. It seems that Kilo is too stuborn for that method. I know obedience school with an experienced trainer in dog aggressiveness is probably my best bet but i'm still waiting to complete his first set of shots before I can take that route, right? Can anyone offer up any other suggestions? Thanks.
 

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here's the thing...

Kilo is very dog aggressive. He thinks he can take any dog. I'm a newb here so cut me some slack... but I've tried methods portrayed by the "Dog Whisperer" but they don't seem too work. It seems that Kilo is too stuborn for that method. I know obedience school with an experienced trainer in dog aggressiveness is probably my best bet but i'm still waiting to complete his first set of shots before I can take that route, right? Can anyone offer up any other suggestions? Thanks.
It is a toss up. For instance puppy classes occur well before the last set of shots because critical socialization periods occur before 16weeks. So you take precautions but take your dog to class. As for trying on your own to fix dog agression (and I have to question what kind of dog agression you're experiencing with a puppy too young to have had all his shots) I argue against it. Why: You may be misdiagnosing agression, you may exacerbate the problem. So even if you have a trainer come out and look at his behaviour that is a better idea. BTW how is he agressive to other dogs when he's not had enough shots to go to class? Am I missing something?

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Are you sure it's not just really rough playing? I've never heard of a 4-month-old puppy being uncontrollably dog aggressive, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen! My Bella was a growly, dominant little beast until she started going to doggy day care at about 20 weeks old. It literally looked like she was attacking other dogs that she played with (including our friend's 80-lb 2-year-old rottweiler and 60-lb 5-year-old Boxer!), but it was all just play and her learning what was acceptable puppy behavior.
 

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You get what you pay for

Again to me you can determine this by the "Get what you pay for". Generally dog classes at a store are fairly cheap compared to private dog trainers. I think private trainers although a bit more costly is a better way to go. They are probably more qualified and experienced to assess your dogs needs.
 

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well here are a couple examples...

we have another dog and when seperated for the briefest of times and then re-introduced, they fight. growling, snarling, teeth shown and biting to the point that there are scratches (minor) and a lil blood. i mean they are on their back legs and it looks like they're boxing and trying to get at each others necks.

all the other times were close calls... i stopped it before contact was made but it was really close...

small dogs, big dogs, all the same... the neighbor has several dogs and all have attempted to "introduce" themselves to Kilo but are greeted with growling and barking and teeth shown. Kilo is on his back legs trying to pounce on these dogs and the only thing holding him back is his leash. and also during walks...

i mean i'm no pro or anything but it sure looks like aggression to me.
 

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GlennG816 said:
well here are a couple examples...

we have another dog and when seperated for the briefest of times and then re-introduced, they fight. growling, snarling, teeth shown and biting to the point that there are scratches (minor) and a lil blood. i mean they are on their back legs and it looks like they're boxing and trying to get at each others necks.

all the other times were close calls... i stopped it before contact was made but it was really close...

small dogs, big dogs, all the same... the neighbor has several dogs and all have attempted to "introduce" themselves to Kilo but are greeted with growling and barking and teeth shown. Kilo is on his back legs trying to pounce on these dogs and the only thing holding him back is his leash. and also during walks...

i mean i'm no pro or anything but it sure looks like aggression to me.
That sounds like play to me.
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if that's rough play then what constitutes fighting?
What is his body language like when he is "fighting"? My two go at each other all the time on their back legs. They do it while making all kinds of noise. (The neighbors probably think I'm running a fighting ring! :lol: ) They almost always leave little cuts on each other from their teeth and nails. But it's all just play. If they wanted to kill or even seriously hurt each other, they could...easily. But their body language tells me they're playing. Tails are wagging, ears are at their natural position (neither pinned back in submission/fear or folded forward in dominance), they bow to each other frequently, and they intiate games of chase with each other.
 

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GlennG816 said:
if that's rough play then what constitutes fighting?
I can only describe how my dogs play - and maybe I was ready for Amrika becuase ridgebacks play very hard. They've got the body slam, the clicking teeth, the 'look how big my growly mouth is', the bite your ass and run game, the drag you by your collar game, and many many more.

In play they growl and bark, but I find the growl pitch is different if theyr'e fighting. Play consists of play bows and body slams, and will stop for water.

I have never seen your dog interact so I can't say for sure, but the risk you run by not allowing your pup to play (if he is indeed playing) is that he'll never learn how to comfortably interract and you might end up making the thing you're afraid of - a dog agressive dog. So you need to talk to a trainer if you can't tell. And the trainer needs to see your dog in action, or at least someone who can tell.

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PaulaEdwina said:
In play they growl and bark, but I find the growl pitch is different if theyr'e fighting.
I agree with this completely. I can tell when Bella and Remy are getting annoyed with each other when their growls change pitch and their bodies tense up. Those cues let me know when I should step in and separate them, otherwise, I let them play as long as they want so long as they're not annoying me! :lol:
 

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My dog is just finished puppy OB at petsmart. Next week she starts intermediate and I plan to take her through to the advanced. Main reason, there are other puppies her same age ( but only two her same size, and none with her determination :twisted: , so yes she is the bad azz of the class, the unruly one, the alpha dog under my hand :lol: ) so she is getting socialized, secondly I went to a few petsmart in the area and watched some of the classes and talked to the different instructors. Some taught the class like they just read an OB book the night before and could not really offer anwers to questions etc..... The one trainer I liked best loves her job, has lots of knowledge on positive training methods, and on one on one also gives me tips on my specific issues, BREED specific issues. While she is no expert (nor am I ) on bully breeds we both have the understanding of their nature. She actually was the only trainer that asked me if Sheila was an American Bulldog and did not say what a pretty pit bull. For Basic training I have found it great and Sheila is learning by the day, however, you do have to put your time in, this is more of a we show you a way and you do it with your dog etc.... vs a trainer training my dog. I think it strengthens my bond with Sheila too.
 

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thank you everyone for your insight. maybe i am making something out of nothing. i will make sure to pay closer attention to the signs of play vs. fighting. i guess i'm not used to this sort of behavior. thanks again.
 

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thank you everyone for your insight. maybe i am making something out of nothing. i will make sure to pay closer attention to the signs of play vs. fighting. i guess i'm not used to this sort of behavior. thanks again.
The first play date Bella had with our friend's dog (a 5-year-old female Boxer) when she was 8 weeks old almost had me in tears. I was so worried that my little puppy was vicious!! But, in reality, she was just learning what was acceptable play. Puppies learn a lot about their world by play fighting. And most adult dogs give puppies a license to be snotty little brats until they're about 16 weeks old. After that, adult dogs usually put puppies in their place when they're acting up. I think supervised play dates with dog-friendly adult dogs that can handle your pup's rough-and-tumble attitude would be very beneficial for your pup who probably thinks he's king of the world right now! :)
 

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Yoshi (105lb 5yr old male rhodesian ridgeback) and Amrika(about 9month old female AB/Pit) play so hard it scares me. I just don' t look anymore.

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