People's opinions on hog catching / training...

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Redbull

Discussion Starter · Jul 13, 2006

I've seen in another thread, where people are opposed to hog catching and/or training for this type of hunt.

I have a couple questions:

1) What is your opinion on hog catching / training for the hunt

2) How is this any different than German Short Haired Pointers being trained with live birds, and other hunting animals that are trained with live game?

I find the whole topic/arguement hypocritical. Even the NKC does not condone or support catch titling or hog hunting. First of all, that's what these dogs were bred for. Second of all, the NKC does sponsor events and competition for other hunting breeds where they use live game (such as badger, *****, squirel, etc etc). An animal is an animal, and hunting is hunting. How can you support 1 and not the other? Hogs are not an endangered species. Actually, in most cases they are a huge nuissance in their natural habitat. But supporting hunting events for certain dogs and not others? Why?

I'm not going to debate in this thread. I've stated my own opinions above, curious to see other's opinions.

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sajoseph

· #2 · Jul 13, 2006

I personally have never gone along for the ride, but do support hog catching. I live in Fla and hog catching is a very big "sport". However, what I do not support is the dog killing the hog, which they almost always do.(Down here anyways)
Catching should be just that, catching.
The hogs are a nusiance here, and even Dixie has chased a few herself. Ctach and hold for the hunter should be mandatory, but nobody enforces it.
I find dog verses nature very interesting, and unles the dog is shredding and "pitbulling" a dead animal it just caught, or catching babies, then I personally dont see a problem with it.

Redbull

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 13, 2006

ahh true. I've never gone either, but I do know that the dogs are only meant to catch and hold the hog, until the hunter/handler can come and do the kill (and I think this should be done by hand, with a knife - old school style, but that's just my preference). I've heard of many places that ban training for this, but how else do you prepare and train a dog properly for the hunt?

angie7349

· #4 · Jul 13, 2006

I am the only person that does not like it .........It has nothing to do with the dogs part,though. I just am a total animal lover and I can't stand for anything to be in pain, even a hog. I know, I know, I am a bleeding heart.

yeovil red

· #5 · Jul 14, 2006

Sounds a bit cruel to me to be honest.

Its not something that happens over here.

Kasco

· #6 · Jul 14, 2006

I would personally not do it....but I don't judge others that do. If we had somewhere around here that my husband could train catching with Chopper, I'd let him do it. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Lots of other dogs hunt. Fox, rabbit, game. So, why not hogs?

yeovil red

· #7 · Jul 14, 2006

Hunting with dogs is banned in Britian.

Though how seriously the ban is taken is debatable.

Purplesauerous

· #8 · Jul 14, 2006

There is a member on another forum who posts pics of his hunts. His dogs wear protective gear. He has dogs that go out and find the hog, and bay to let him know, and his catch dogs. He does kill them with a knife. I find the whole thing facinating as hell.
Dogs with jobs.

Kasco

· #9 · Jul 14, 2006

Training for the hunt....that's another story. The dogs must be trained by using penned animals at some point, yes? That may be a touchier issue. Not for me, but some might find that cruel.

Redbull

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jul 14, 2006

The thing I don't get is how the NKC will approve of several breeds training with live animals and holding hunting events, but does not approve or condone working with bulldogs/hogs as well as hunting hogs.

I can understand if some people find hunting cruel. That makes sense to me. But I do not understand NKC's stand on things. Selective endorsement? The strange thing is they were the original KC to register the AB, they've been registering AB's the longest. The AB was and is a catch dog, one of it's primary duties as a working dog.

Kasco

· #11 · Jul 14, 2006

redbull said:
The thing I don't get is how the NKC will approve of several breeds training with live animals and holding hunting events, but does not approve or condone working with bulldogs/hogs as well as hunting hogs.

I can understand if some people find hunting cruel. That makes sense to me. But I do not understand NKC's stand on things. Selective endorsement? The strange thing is they were the original KC to register the AB, they've been registering AB's the longest. The AB was and is a catch dog, one of it's primary duties as a working dog.

Yeah, that really doesn't make sense. I could see if the NKC didn't recognise the bulldog. Has anyone from the NKC ever made a statement as to why they don't recognise hog hunting/catching with bulldogs?

Redbull

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jul 14, 2006

Kasco said:
Yeah, that really doesn't make sense. I could see if the NKC didn't recognise the bulldog. Has anyone from the NKC ever made a statement as to why they don't recognise hog hunting/catching with bulldogs?

Yes, here it is and it doesn't make much sense to me:

> > > The National Kennel Club has never sponsored a catch
> > > dog trial. We sanction conformation shows, weight
> > > pull titles and temperament/obedience trials. We were
> > > one of the first registries to recognize the American
> > > Bulldogs as a breed and will continue to register them
> > > as so. As for the going to the anti's, as the memo
> > > said we are going to do our part to protect this breed
> > > as associated with our registry so it will not fall
> > > into the same class as the pit bull dog and be labeled
> > > aggressive and be ban, >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > NKC

source (cross post): http://www.true-grit.us/cgi-bin/YaBB2/YaBB.pl?num=1150945842/22#22

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Hoss

· #13 · Jul 14, 2006

I would almost bet that the people against it are either against hunting totally or they think it gives the dogs a bad rep. I am in no way against it. If I lived in an area where they were a nuissance, I would have no problem hunting them, with or without dogs. It is no different than using a JRT, Patterdale, or Fox Terrier in the rural farm areas up this way to catch, and usually kill, **** or groundhog. Most dogs are purpose bred, and bullies are no different. Hog catching is in their blood. If you are interested in more hog hunting info, I found an Australian site a few years back that has a ton of videos, pictures, and information about hunting.

http://www.boardogs.com/

angie7349

· #14 · Jul 14, 2006

Hoss said:
I would almost bet that the people against it are either against hunting totally or they think it gives the dogs a bad rep. I am in no way against it. If I lived in an area where they were a nuissance, I would have no problem hunting them, with or without dogs. It is no different than using a JRT, Patterdale, or Fox Terrier in the rural farm areas up this way to catch, and usually kill, **** or groundhog. Most dogs are purpose bred, and bullies are no different. Hog catching is in their blood. If you are interested in more hog hunting info, I found an Australian site a few years back that has a ton of videos, pictures, and information about hunting.

http://www.boardogs.com/

Personally, I just don't like animals being hunted that are not eaten. If they eat what they catch I am all for it but you just won't see me there. I don't like seeing anything in pain......I like my :snorting: nameless and faceless on my plate, LOL. I am a more power to you type person.

Redbull

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jul 14, 2006

Most people who hunt wild boar will eat the meat, it's actually very tastey. I couldn't see throwing that much pork to waste, or letting the beast go. The catch is only 1/2 of the hunt :wink: I don't like guns to kill hogs though.

angie7349

· #16 · Jul 14, 2006

redbull said:
Most people who hunt wild boar will eat the meat, it's actually very tastey. I couldn't see throwing that much pork to waste, or letting the beast go. The catch is only 1/2 of the hunt :wink: I don't like guns to kill hogs though.

Glad to hear it

I can't handle just for sport

I can handle is there is a purpose,yes, I begrudgingly understand for pest control

Redbull

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jul 14, 2006

I know what you mean. I actually used to be vegetarian for years back in school but I've since smartened up, I like my meat

If I were to ever go on a hog hunt, I'd definately be taking that beast home with me for many dinners.

Sennin

· #18 · Jul 14, 2006

I dont see anything wrong with it, I actually wouldnt mind going on a boar hunt.....and they do taste good.

sajoseph

· #19 · Jul 14, 2006

I dont know how they train them. As I said before, nobody really follows the catch part, all the carcasses I see are shredded by dogs. And trust me, there are a million on any given weekend outlining the paths!

However, I do kno of a few that do it correctly, they hold the hog for thehunter, and the hunter cuts the pigs throat asap. Then castration immediatly, to prevent the release of "spmething" into the meat that will spoil it.

Im not a hog hunter, so I dont know all the terms, but if I get my property one doy soon, I may check into some kind of training!!!

I love almost all animals too, but if you havent seen these wild boar......you just dont know!!

tohall

· #20 · Jul 14, 2006

sajoseph,

I don't know where you are getting your information, but you couldn't be more wrong about hog hunting. I don't hunt hogs myself, but all of my Florida relatives do. The last thing anyone would do is put their dog on a hog with the expectation that he will kill it. They have been bred for generations to catch and hold for a reason and it's not for the sport of it. In the kind of habitat these boars hang out in, having a dog catch and hold and going in and dispatching the hog with a knife is the most efficient and safest way to kill the hog. A dog that goes in trying to kill a boar by itself is most likely going to be a dead dog.

If you are seeing dead hogs that look like they have been shredded by dogs, they are most likely hogs that have been killed by disease that have been partially eaten by wild animals.

And if you got a million dead hogs lining your paths every weekend , please let me know where - I know a buncha good old boys who would love to know!!

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