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So I'm taking Nelson to Puppy Pre School tomorrow night. The classes are 4 x 1 hr sessions to socialise puppies and to teach them basic obedience, she said that she also teaches the owners lol!

At the end he gets a photo and certificate - how cute!

Nelson and me are having a power struggle at the moment he so thinks he has it over me, but slowly he is understanding that Im above him in the pack as such - hehehe
 

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iluvmypit said:
So I'm taking Nelson to Puppy Pre School tomorrow night. The classes are 4 x 1 hr sessions to socialise puppies and to teach them basic obedience, she said that she also teaches the owners lol!

At the end he gets a photo and certificate - how cute!

Nelson and me are having a power struggle at the moment he so thinks he has it over me, but slowly he is understanding that Im above him in the pack as such - hehehe
Puupy school is awesome.
and yes, the way to get through is for them to teach YOU to teach the dog.

we go (almost) every week, and it's fabulous. The socialisation aspect is more important I think.... prevents dog aggressiveness.... get them socialised young!
 

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Puppy socialization classes are a waste of time and money.

If socializing your puppy is that important to you, you can accomplish the same thing for free by walking them around Petsmart. Socializing puppies with other dogs does not in any way prevent future dog aggression anyways. If you think that you will be in for a big surprise.

The "training" you will recieve at that class will be minimal, and nothing you can't do on your own at home. After all, its a puppy and all training should be positive anyways. Not really much to it.

I used to believe in all this socialization stuff but then I came to my senses. :lol: . A puppy will do just fine without it. Besides, wouldn't you rather teach your dog that you are the centre of its universe rather than a bunch of strange dogs? Thats how you get a well trained dog, by teaching them that you are the one they should be paying attention to. Its ok to take your dog out around other dogs (I do it all the time) but my dogs don't get to greet other dogs and go nose to nose with them at all. They are expected to keep their focus on me during these types of distractions. From a training point a view, socializing your dogs and letting them have fun with other dogs can actually have a negative effect on your training. Why would a dog want to pay attention to you if you are always teaching them there are more interesting things out there? Thats one of the biggest mistakes I made in the past and I will not make that same mistake again, because that is something you can not change. A dogs world is only as big as you make it. Once you show them all the fun they can have without you, its game over.
 

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iluvmypit said:
So I'm taking Nelson to Puppy Pre School tomorrow night. The classes are 4 x 1 hr sessions to socialise puppies and to teach them basic obedience, she said that she also teaches the owners lol!

At the end he gets a photo and certificate - how cute!

Nelson and me are having a power struggle at the moment he so thinks he has it over me, but slowly he is understanding that Im above him in the pack as such - hehehe

That's great! Does your school require that all the participants be up to date on their shots? If not, you might not want to take him there.

I loved our puppy classes...not only did Atticus love them, we enjoyed the people we were around, and they were teaching US how to do things. Loose leash walking has never been a bigger breeze! Good luck and have fun!
 

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Lisa said:
Puppy socialization classes are a waste of time and money...

I used to believe in all this socialization stuff but then I came to my senses. :lol: . A puppy will do just fine without it.
Wonh WONH WOOOOONNNNNHHHHHHHH (That's my "Debbie Downer" music) :lol:

It's a fun thing for you and your puppy to do together... NOT a waste of time. Any time you spend with your puppy, other dogs and other people is time well-spent, not time wasted.

Good for you for participating! I, too, would just encourage you to make sure your pup is fully vaccinated before bringing him anywhere where there are other dogs/puppies
 

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WE LOVED our puppy class. There were short 3-5 minute periods of training (Sit, stay) then the pups were rewarded by playing together. Zoe loved it and she still is just fine when it comes to focus.
 

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I think dog and people socializing is a must if you want your dog as a pet rather than just a working dog. I travel with my dog on weekends and also spend time with my dog around other dogs a lot.
 

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Lisa said:
Puppy socialization classes are a waste of time and money..
#-o Whatever...to each his own :roll: ..

I think it is great that you are making a effort to work with your puppy =D> ..and a small class can be a learning experience for dog and human...

Have Fun with it..

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Yes, to each their own. But I have one question for those of you who think that socializing your dog with other dogs is a good thing to do......

How do you think your dogs/puppies are benefiting from it? What is the reason for doggie playtime? What are you and your dog gaining from it exactly? Please be specific with your reasons.

Thank you. :)
 

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Lisa said:
Yes, to each their own. But I have one question for those of you who think that socializing your dog with other dogs is a good thing to do......

How do you think your dogs/puppies are benefiting from it? What is the reason for doggie playtime? What are you and your dog gaining from it exactly? Please be specific with your reasons.

Thank you. :)

How do I think my dog/puppy benefited? He began to earn a greater respect for me and my husband, when he saw that we were taking control.

What is the reason for doggie playtime? I don't know....ours didn't get playtime during class, but I know the few times she taught lessons with the dogs together, Atticus learned quickly not to dominate and that it was ok for him to be submissive at times.

What am I gaining from it? The knowledge in which to go forth and continually train him throughout the rest of his life. She armed me with those skills. I also gained new friendships from the folks that attended. What did Atticus gain? Really cute puppy pics and a squeaky toy. ;) He also "learned" his new skills thanks to me learning.
 

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I think dog and people socializing is a must if you want your dog as a pet rather than just a working dog. I travel with my dog on weekends and also spend time with my dog around other dogs a lot.
Who said anything about working dogs here?

Do you believe that a working dog can not also be a pet? :-k

Working dog, pet, or both, IMO a dog does not need up close and personal contact with other dogs outside their pack period. I see no benefit to it whatsoever. In fact I find it to be detrimental to good training.
 

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Lisa said:
Yes, to each their own. But I have one question for those of you who think that socializing your dog with other dogs is a good thing to do......

How do you think your dogs/puppies are benefiting from it? What is the reason for doggie playtime? What are you and your dog gaining from it exactly? Please be specific with your reasons.

Thank you. :)

How do I think my dog/puppy benefited? He began to earn a greater respect for me and my husband, when he saw that we were taking control.

What is the reason for doggie playtime? I don't know....ours didn't get playtime during class, but I know the few times she taught lessons with the dogs together, Atticus learned quickly not to dominate and that it was ok for him to be submissive at times.

What am I gaining from it? The knowledge in which to go forth and continually train him throughout the rest of his life. She armed me with those skills. I also gained new friendships from the folks that attended. What did Atticus gain? Really cute puppy pics and a squeaky toy. ;) He also "learned" his new skills thanks to me learning.
Cinder, I am referring to dog to dog socialization. I am not referring to the training aspect of classes. I want to know how dogs or puppies benefit from playtime with other dogs..nose to nose contact, running, playing etc.
 

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Lisa said:
Yes, to each their own. But I have one question for those of you who think that socializing your dog with other dogs is a good thing to do......

How do you think your dogs/puppies are benefiting from it? What is the reason for doggie playtime? What are you and your dog gaining from it exactly? Please be specific with your reasons.

Thank you. :)

How do I think my dog/puppy benefited? He began to earn a greater respect for me and my husband, when he saw that we were taking control.

What is the reason for doggie playtime? I don't know....ours didn't get playtime during class, but I know the few times she taught lessons with the dogs together, Atticus learned quickly not to dominate and that it was ok for him to be submissive at times.

What am I gaining from it? The knowledge in which to go forth and continually train him throughout the rest of his life. She armed me with those skills. I also gained new friendships from the folks that attended. What did Atticus gain? Really cute puppy pics and a squeaky toy. ;) He also "learned" his new skills thanks to me learning.
Cinder, I am referring to dog to dog socialization. I am not referring to the training aspect of classes. I want to know how dogs or puppies benefit from playtime with other dogs..nose to nose contact, running, playing etc.


Well, as far as the dog to dog socialization...I have no answer for you. I can tell you what I "saw" and that was him gaining a better grasp of how to treat dogs of all shapes and sizes. I think him being socialized benefits me and him, being that I "feel" he is more accepting of the unknown.
 

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Cinder, I am referring to dog to dog socialization. I am not referring to the training aspect of classes. I want to know how dogs or puppies benefit from playtime with other dogs..nose to nose contact, running, playing etc.
How about...IT'S FUN!!! It's a shame that some owners don't let their dogs be dogs, don't let them interact and play with their own kind.

What benefit does a dog get from biting a sleeve or tracking your scent on the ground?
 

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So I'm taking Nelson to Puppy Pre School tomorrow night. The classes are 4 x 1 hr sessions to socialise puppies and to teach them basic obedience, she said that she also teaches the owners lol!

At the end he gets a photo and certificate - how cute!

Nelson and me are having a power struggle at the moment he so thinks he has it over me, but slowly he is understanding that Im above him in the pack as such - hehehe
sorry, i can't remember, how old is nelson?
if nelson hasn't had his final set of shots yet i would recomend holding off on the classes till he does.
you also need to keep in mind that a puppy, say under the age of 6-7 months, has the attention span of a fruit fly. an hour long class, imo, is far to long for a dog under that age. a puppy 7 -12 months would do ok with 1/2 hour class but any more than that you stand to lose his interest and enthusiasm. having a pup motivated and having fun is VERY important at this stage of the game.
i also don't have any interest in paying for "puppy socailization", altho for a different reason than lisa. personally i am not interested in paying for something i can get for free (yes, i am a cheap biatch lol) . finding a few good puppy friends in the neibourhood would be alot cheaper on your pocket book.
it is easy for those of us that already know how to say "training the basics are easy" but for those that haven't done it b4 classes are needed , you have to learn somewhere. just remember, at this stage it is all meant to be fun, so make sure nelson is havin fun!
 

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Thank you for the reply, Cinder.

One more question.....why do you feel your dog needs to know how to treat different dogs to begin with? Personally, I could care less how my dogs "get along" with other dogs. That's why there are leash laws. :) .

I do expect my dogs to know how to behave while in the "presence" of other dogs (ignore them and keep their attention on ME) but I draw the line at close contact. My dogs do not need it and if you ask any world class trainer if they let their dogs romp with other dogs outside their pack, I can pretty much guarantee the answer would be no in most cases. If you continually teach your dog that they can have tons of fun romping and playing with other dogs you are teaching them there are things out there more fun than you, and that is a big negative when it comes to training. Imprinting is the most important thing to devloping a well trained dog and imprinting involves teaching your dog that YOU are the bearer of all good things in life and a dog need not be a working dog to be well trained. All dogs need to be trained!

I speak from experience here. I made the mistake, and believed all the stuff society spouts about the importance of socializing your dogs to prevent future dog aggression. Guess what, it totally backfired on me, my dog learned there was so many other things out there that are fun that it set us back years in our training. It also did NOTHING to prevent agression between my male and other dominant males. I learned from my mistakes and now have a young female who is much more willing to please me and much more focussed on me in general. Makes training a heck of alot easier. :)

Wish I knew 5 yrs ago what I know now (of course I am still learning) . I kick myself EVERY DAY for the mistakes I have made in the past. Its not a good feeling knowing you have a good dog and knowing you are the reason why it hasn't been successful on the trial field. Doesn't feel good at all. :cry:
 

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Thank you for the reply, Cinder.

One more question.....why do you feel your dog needs to know how to treat different dogs to begin with? Personally, I could care less how my dogs "get along" with other dogs. That's why there are leash laws. :) .

I do expect my dogs to know how to behave while in the "presence" of other dogs (ignore them and keep their attention on ME) but I draw the line at close contact. My dogs do not need it and if you ask any world class trainer if they let their dogs romp with other dogs outside their pack, I can pretty much guarantee the answer would be no in most cases. If you continually teach your dog that they can have tons of fun romping and playing with other dogs you are teaching them there are things out there more fun than you, and that is a big negative when it comes to training. Imprinting is the most important thing to devloping a well trained dog and imprinting involves teaching your dog that YOU are the bearer of all good things in life and a dog need not be a working dog to be well trained. All dogs need to be trained!

I speak from experience here. I made the mistake, and believed all the stuff society spouts about the importance of socializing your dogs to prevent future dog aggression. Guess what, it totally backfired on me, my dog learned there was so many other things out there that are fun that it set us back years in our training. It also did NOTHING to prevent agression between my male and other dominant males. I learned from my mistakes and now have a young female who is much more willing to please me and much more focussed on me in general. Makes training a heck of alot easier. :)

Wish I knew 5 yrs ago what I know now (of course I am still learning) . I kick myself EVERY DAY for the mistakes I have made in the past. Its not a good feeling knowing you have a good dog and knowing you are the reason why it hasn't been successful on the trial field. Doesn't feel good at all. :cry:


I enjoy watching my boy interact with other dogs. He looks like he truly enjoys it, and if I can help him be better at doing it (by not pulling or being aggressive) then I'm happier. I'm sure you know tons more than I do, but I personally would still like to take my boy to the dog parks/beaches...but that's all dependant upon whether he gets dog aggressive in the future. As of right now...he's a really great dog, really enjoys his park time, and still loves the ever loving bejesus out of me and my husband. :) But then again, I'm not training him to do anything "important". If he can give me a high five, all is good in my world come Monday Night Football! :lol:
 

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What benefit does a dog get from biting a sleeve or tracking your scent on the ground?
Right back at ya..... ITS FUN for them. If you could only see how much they enjoy it. Also, I learn A TON about my dogs characters by working them in ob, protection, and to a lesser degree, tracking. Watching your dog play with others isn't going to tell you a whole lot. I also do not have to worry about dog fights which lead to bad publicity for the bullies and vet bills to boot. What happens if your dog gets attacked during "doggie playtime"? That is going to set you back months in your training, not just because of possible injury but mentally as well. Dogs often don't forget stuff like that too easily. I would much rather spend my time having fun with my dogs than spend it watching my dogs have fun with another person or animal.

If you think my dogs missing out on something important, come visit my dogs. See for yourself how happy they are. :D
 

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Lisa said:
What benefit does a dog get from biting a sleeve or tracking your scent on the ground?
Right back at ya..... ITS FUN for them.
That was kind of my point. ;) We do things with our dogs that we think are fun for them (and are also fun for us). I love watching my dogs play with each other; they are genuinely happy in each other's presence.

Edited to clarify: I don't take my dogs to dog parks or let them interact with strange dogs. They haven't had a play date with other dogs in several months, but those playdates have always been limited to the dogs of my friends, so I'm not worried about bad publicity.
 
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