I agree with o. And I feed both kibble and raw. Never had a problem.
HHAHAHAHAHAHAH :laughing6:My personal response...
1) Our dog hasn't gained weight since Feb, when he was 9 months old. He actually lost a couple then came back. All on kibble. He is done most of his growing now and will just be filling out for the next year or so. You won't see big changes on the scale.
2) Do you mean if you are going all raw? I do not supplement veggies, dogs don't need carbs. You can if you want but it's not going to affect his health, unless they are bad veggies like onion etc... I believe if you scroll a few pages back Orsondogge mentions the meat:bonergan ratio. It's not too hard to figure out once you start because his stool will tell you.
3) I supplement raw in my cats diet. Since moving to the US she has had nothing but problems with kibble. Some things she'll eat, some she won't. I think because cats don't chew much it can be more difficult, so anything with bones or chewy organs she'll just lick until its dry. My last cat had no problem eating birds and rodents whole. You wouldn't give your cat a rack of ribs... the only real difference I have learnt is not to give a cat too much fish, maybe once a week. Their small bodies are far more affected by the mercury content than dogs. If your cat will eat raw then go for it...
I feed 1/2 cup kibble in the morning (acana) to both my dogs. Around 1pm I give them a bone with a lower meat content. The cuts I give vary- beef neck bone, back rib bone, marrow bone... Anything thats mostly hard bone with some meat. I do this mostly for dental health and to keep them busy. The ripping and tearing of meat or sucking out the marrow from the middle of the bone is good for them. However, their poop was getting quite hard. So i started throwing in some tripe and heart. I don't consider heart an organ so I use it as meat. So I switch off between tripe and heart every other day.Then at night my pups get another 1/2 cup of kibble. And about twice a month they each get a whole trout to eat in place of a kibble meal. It took me forever to figure this out because there is no simple answer. All dogs metabolize differently. I just watched their poop and adjusted accordingly.I have a few questions regarding raw food and would appreciate any advice, talking to local pet shops seems to get you inconsistent answers and even so called dog nutritionists have giving me different opinions.
First off Winston is 9 months and weighs 38.8lbs. I’m currently feeding Urban Carnivore (been on it for about 2 months), we switch from chicken and beef but we’re sticking mostly with beef as we’ve been advised the chicken may be a little fatty for his age and his stools are darker and firmer with beef. I chose the Urban Carnivore as it’s locally made and apparently 100% natural and is always available to us. Making our own raw food isn’t something we can take on right now so we have to use prepared frozen.
Questions:
1) I feed him 16oz per day based on the lower end of the feeding guidelines however in the last 2 months he has not gained a pound in weight. We keep him fairly active with about 1-2 hours per day of walking/training outdoors. I’m curious if I should be feeding him more? He’s not loosing weight and looks fit and lean but not skinny.
2) Should I be supplementing anything in addition on a regular/daily bases such as full bones or veggies? This is what I get mixed answers on all the time. I understand one problem with prepared food is the ratio of bone to meat is inconsistent but is this something to be overly concerned about? Are veggies needed or are they more optional and if you feed veggies do they have to be pre-digested? I sometimes feed him whole carrots or bananas at least 3 hours after eating protein, good or bad idea?
3) Somewhat unrelated but I also feed my two cats raw food and would like to feed them the same food, just curious if others do this as well. I’ve been told the nutritional requirements are different however there are many raw food products for cats and dogs; Urban Carnivore is one of them so I’m confused on what the difference would be.
Thanks in advance, any answers or general comments would be helpful.
That sucks. I finally found a source here that is SUPER cheap. I have to drive about an hour away to Madison to pick it up, but its totally worth it. They have Bison knuckle bones for like 2.69 a piece. I'm paying way more than that for crappy beef knuckles here. I know there is a Yahoo group you can join and exchange info on unpublished sources, so you may want to try that. Store meat is way overpriced.If you are buying prepacked raw then its ready to go. If you are giving raw yourself then its about 10% bone and 10% organ to meat.
I'm getting annoyed with the price of meat here. Even the farmers want to sell it for more than the stores!
That sucks. I finally found a source here that is SUPER cheap. I have to drive about an hour away to Madison to pick it up, but its totally worth it. They have Bison knuckle bones for like 2.69 a piece. I'm paying way more than that for crappy beef knuckles here. I know there is a Yahoo group you can join and exchange info on unpublished sources, so you may want to try that. Store meat is way overpriced.
NO worries about fish bones. Murphy ate a fish straight out of our pond once, and never had any issues. I give the dogs whiting once and awhile, and have never had a problem. If your dogs can eat chicken backs fine, they will be A-OK with fish bones.Mackerel, I know a place that sells them cheap and frozen. I have yet to start Dude on fish tho. Do you guys worry about the bones? Fish bones and fins are quite pointy.