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I figured this topic could go on for quite a while. It's another topic that pops up quite frequently, and I think this could be a good source of info for anyone looking for alternative food sources for their dog.

Help dispel some of the myths associated with raw feeding(my fave is "It will make the dog mean") and how to ensure that you get the perfect balance for your dog. Any sources you can share would be awesome as well!

Also, what are the pros and cons of feeding kibble? Is it a good idea to mix the two, and feed half raw and half kibble? Does kibble contain everything that a dog needs?
 

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Great topic! I personally feed both kibble (TOW) and Raw; I am interested in reading and gathering more information.

I think that Raw is probably best but right now I don't have the storage space for feeding 4 dogs an all Raw diet.

I do notice that my dogs eat Raw with much more enthusiasm than they EVER have shown towards kibble. And as any multiple dog home can appreciate....less scooping in the yard :)
 

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i think i've gone overboard having one stand up freezer, one chest freezer and a fridge (for defrosting) all dedicated for 2 dog's raw food! LOL. but i have a big basement!!
it makes it sooo easy, buy in bulk and when things go on sale.
 

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We're switching our dogs to raw. I have an order in at a meat market for 160# pounds @ $78 and some change. I also buy stuff on sale from the discount grocers. An example would be 10# bags of chicken leg quaters for $4.40. I also purchased a chest freezer 24" wide by 60" long by 36" deep (craigslist ftw) for $75. I just hope all the food lasts 6 weeks for 5 dogs
 

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So, how would one go about switching? I know very little about raw, I've read some. How do you know how much to feed each dog, and what proportion of bone/organ/etc.

Do you make the switch gradually, or just when they run out of kibble?
 

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I am curious as to why this thread is titled "Raw vs Kibble"?

Is this meant to be a thread on the pros and cons of each like the title implies or is this strictly meant to be a thread on the benefits of a raw diet? I guess I am just confused as to why kibble is used in the title?
 

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Pros and cons of each.

We currently feed kibble because it's convenient for us, and I know next to nothing about raw. I'm interested in learning more about raw.

I'll edit the OP to include kibble pros vs cons. This is what I get for multi-tasking!

Don't you feed kibble Lisa? I know you talk about using the pup's food for training, I assume that kibble makes that a little easier. I just want to learn what I can about raw. We probably won't put Haus on a raw diet, but I'd like the knowledge for future reference.
 

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truth be told, i miss feeding kibble. So easy, you buy a bag, and just toss down some food. Plus you can use their kibble for treats and training. Cant do that with raw.
With raw, i'm always cutting up meat and bagging. Then i have to go down to basement every day and get their food from the freezers and thaw. Plus it's messy when i feed (i hand feed inside when it's cold/rainy outside) and blood drips onto the floor. I got to make sure their portions are correct. Kibble is a no-brainer! LOL

But......raw is what is best for my dogs so i go thru "the trouble" of feeding it. and i dont think i could ever feed kibble to any dog again.
The farting is very minimal, the poops and pooping is minimal, skin and coat look great, the teeth are clean and white and allergies gone!
 

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So, how would one go about switching? I know very little about raw, I've read some. How do you know how much to feed each dog, and what proportion of bone/organ/etc.

Do you make the switch gradually, or just when they run out of kibble?
I found books very helpful, such as "Give a dog a bone" and Switching to raw by Susan K. Johnson. I don't have a problem with kibble but when we're talking 5 dogs quality kibble becomes cost prohibitted. What I'm spending on 160# of raw is what I was spending on 60 pounds of kibble.
 

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having raw fed for a while, going back to kibble, and now back to raw, i can tell you it gets WORLDS easier once you get the hang of it.
honestly, i don't even THINK about dog meals anymore. the single hardest part of the dogs diet is the thawing and packaging. thats it. and its easily solved by spending ONE afternoon a week, and seperating the food into meals, bagging each "meal" and thats it.

after you do it for a while, you stop thinking about ratios, percentages, etc. You start to think-"well, its been about 3-4 days since fido has had some organ meat, i suppose that will be this meal", "the last few meals have been lacking in bone, today they will just get ox tails" or"im feeling a bit lazy, and he hasn't had some yet this week, so i will open this can of salmon and feed that", it really grows on you, and you don't give much thought after a while.

the general "amount" for an adult dog is 2-3% of their ideal weight. puppies are more, but i can't remember off the top of my head.
again, with this, i "eyeball" it at this point. I feed what i feel is an appropriately sized meal, and i watch their body shape. if the morning meal is a bit large, they just get a bone that night, if they eat something SUPER big, or hearty, i will fast them for a day or so.

yes, raw is AT FIRST more difficult, or more involved that kibble, and unless you are hand feeding like sara, once you get the hang of it, its not a big deal anymore.
Now, don't get me wrong, im not advocating not doing your research, and just winging it from the start. Please do. plan meals, if you'd like, some of us can give you some sample meals we do.
But, after a few months giv eor take, you will fall into your routine, you won't have to weigh meals, you will start to be able to look at a chicken back, or whatnot and tell if its just one meal, enough for a whole day, etc.
 

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i am anal and i still weigh the dog's meals for every day. I mean, i have necks bagged up into 10 ounces each, ground beef into 3 oz. bags, heart into 8 oz, tripe into 8oz...etc. That way i can just reach in and get one bone source and know i need one other bag of meat for each and then Orson gets one extra bag of ground beef.
i also have a set schedule of what i feed each day, pork one day, kidney another, heart another, etc.
the little one gets 16 oz and O gets 22 oz
(although Lo is not so little anymore at 55 lbs and O isnt so big anymore at 65 lbs) LOL

that's just what works for me, a routine. alot do eyeball the food being fed like Moose said. I just found that to be easiest for me :)
 

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Orson for training you could freeze some blueberries and use those, its easy... and when your done you can make a smoothie for yourself :)
 

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I feed kibble, it's easy! For one dog, it's not real costly either. But, if ever Jack had health problems such as allergies, I would switch him. He'd be worth it!
 

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We currently feed Mater kibble but once we get our own place with more room for storage of bulk meat we will switch Mater over to raw... hate dealing with allergies.

It's not all that easy with kibble because of allergies. When your budget isn't the greatest it's hard to find a good kibble.
 

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I have a small upright freezer and the one on my fridge. It is plenty of room for meat for one dog. Don't let that stop you, even when you get a bigger place two freezers isn't too many.
 

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I am not sure there are any obvious signs that MY dogs do better on raw than kibble. I really like the idea of dogs/meat. It just seems to make more sense, more natural.

Yes, they enjoy it but as Orsondogge said, it does take time and research. I usually cut and bag the day I purchase into a gallon freezer bag which fits enough for four dogs. I don't weigh or really plan as carefully as some. I eyeball it like MM. I throw in organs every couple of days. I do however try to keep the meat/bone ration daily.

Of course we on a " don't ask, don't tell" policy with our vet in regard to raw. He doesn't believe dogs should ever eat any bones! He knows I feed raw but I tire of the scolding so we just don't discuss it unless its pertinent to the problem.

Some days I feed all raw, somedays all kibble and somedays both. It just depends on freezer stock, activity level and weight issues and who is feeding them; me or hubby.
 

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I have a small upright freezer and the one on my fridge. It is plenty of room for meat for one dog. Don't let that stop you, even when you get a bigger place two freezers isn't too many.
When we just have a double wide it doesn't leave a lot of room for another freezer ;)
 

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SCORE!!!!!!

Borrowed a skill saw from my neighbor today, as I was returning it she made a point to stock me up on home bred/slaughtered beef and some venison. All told I got about 100 pounds of FREE dog food. It is mostly T-bone and LOTS of ground beef . Raw is on the menu this week!!!!
 

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I got started on raw because Sirius couldn't hold his weight on kibble, he was deathly skinny. We tried all different types of kibble and finally I gave in and tried raw, and lo and behold it solved the problem! When Shelby came along she just ate raw because that's what Sirius was on, and after he left we tried kibble again because admittedly it's a bit easier (not cheaper for us though!). WELL, she got serial and chronic staph infections which we are now STILL dealing with the side effects from the entire time we were on kibble. We switched back to raw, cleared up the last staph infection and it hasn't come back since. :dontknow:

I kind of do raw like Moose does, I admit I mostly just feed chicken because that's what I can afford, but I feel a raw diet of chicken only (just for now) is better for my individual dog than the best kibble out there because of her allergies. I sort of eyeball it, I know what a pound of chicken quarters looks like. The organs have to be weighed, I'm no good at eyeballing ounces :lol:
 
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