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And really, I think buying a dog from ANY venue has its risks, and the ability to have imperfections. I'm pretty sure some crap dogs are coming out of the best of breedings, as well as from shelters/rescues.
 

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That may be true but I bet you will still care for your dog when you do have children and not lose interest.
It's not so white and black, sometimes. You absolutely still care for your dog, but interest wanes, for some.

That is a fact! Lilly Sue will always be our first born kid. I'm probably the most obnoxious pet owner on the planet. I don't talk much, but I'm usually shoving pics of my dog in people's faces. I carry a pic of her in my wallet and have a pic of her on my desk at work. Some people have pics of their wives in their wallets and desks. Strange......:-k
I am interested in how you view things after the baby is born. I was very much the same way with Atticus, but I will tell you that we went through a VERY rough patch with him for the first five months or so. Questioning whether we should have him, if the risk/reward was worth it, him being around such a fragile little life. My suggestion for you is to take some classes regarding dogs and newborns. It helped us out immensely. But just be prepared for you both to experience some very real emotions after the birth of your child in regards to the dog and the baby. It was HORRIBLE for us.

Edited to add: There are some that are 110% top notch on their training game and background that have dogs with little to no issues. That is not the case with us (shocker!).
 

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I guess I dont really care so much about people judging me as I am annoyed by the pot calling th kettle black factor. You (not anyone on here, just general) have a dog from a shitty BYB and could do no research at all on breeders, however you know you don't want a rescue because its risky? That makes no sense to me. Where did you get your information from? Because clearly you didnt get any information on breeders.
 

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I guess I dont really care so much about people judging me as I am annoyed by the pot calling th kettle black factor. You (not anyone on here, just general) have a dog from a shitty BYB and could do no research at all on breeders, however you know you don't want a rescue because its risky? That makes no sense to me. Where did you get your information from? Because clearly you didnt get any information on breeders.

People suck. Plain and simple. But remember that you're judging them while they are judging you.

As long as YOU know you love your dog with all your might, let them stew in their happiness of uninformed. Then once you realize that they have no desire to better themselves or their belief system, then you can judge. ;)

Oh, and my dog sucks. ;)
 

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How do you judge someone that knows no better? That seems illogical. The simplest definition of ignorance is un-informed. How can you possibly judge someone that DOESN'T know? The only way you can RIGHTFULLY judge is if someone DOES know, and continues TO. Joe Dog owner doesn't realize that by purchasing a dog from their neighbor, they are contributing to that person more than likely spitting out more pups. They don't realize the implications that could possibly arise from that sale. ONCE they know, THEN blame them. Do you REALLY think that people do their research prior to purchasing? No. We are the EXCEPTION not the rule. Most people want a cute fluffy, and they want it NOW. The idea of googling what does or does not make a good breeder never crosses their mind. The only thing that crosses their mind is googling "American Bulldog breeder in San Diego".

I'll have you know I'm a very thorough, intelligent, and well researched person when it comes to purchasing items. We looked and researched for over a year when it came to purchasing our truck, and the same applied for subsequent vehicles. I PRIDE myself on doing my homework, IF I know what homework I'm to be doing! When it came to buying Atticus, all I knew of was to NOT buy from a pet store, and that was about it. I scoured the newspaper classifieds for breeders, and then thought I had hit the jackpot when I saw the ad for him. It had all kinds of fancy schmancy titles and a kennel, etc. I thought I was doing my homework when I googled the kennel name. In reality, I didn't know SMACK. NOW, after LEARNING from here, I will NEVER make that same mistake. And IF I do, then I can be judged.

And honestly, if YOU love your dog, and YOU are happy with your dog, tell those that look down their noses to piss up a rope.
But isnt that the problem? I mean, ignorance is a problem. Of course I was once ignorant and still am about many things, but I'm being judged. I don't care that I am, but I know that I am. How many times did I get chewed out on here? I dont hold it against anyone. If they hadnt done it, I wouldnt know what I do now. Why do we get embarrassed when someone busts us out for being stupid? Because no one wants to be ignorant. I'm not holding it against anyone, however I am calling it like it is. Everyone makes mistakes I know, but how do we ever learn from them if someone doesnt call us out?

And I absolutely 100% agree we are the exception, not the rule. And it's unfortunate. Which is why I think it's important to start threads like this to educate.
 

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But isnt that the problem? I mean, ignorance is a problem. Of course I was once ignorant and still am about many things, but I'm being judged. I don't care that I am, but I know that I am. How many times did I get chewed out on here? I dont hold it against anyone. If they hadnt done it, I wouldnt know what I do now. Why do we get embarrassed when someone busts us out for being stupid? Because no one wants to be ignorant. I'm not holding it against anyone, however I am calling it like it is. Everyone makes mistakes I know, but how do we ever learn from them if someone doesnt call us out?
My husband put it best to me..."Adrienne, it's not your job to call people out when they're wrong or stupid". And you know what, he's right.


If you'll notice, I didn't/don't judge those on here that don't know any better. Dog parks, food, training, etc. I ONLY start to judge/get upset when they know better (i.e. hear all the experiences, read the stickies) and continue to ignore, or worse, get defiant.
 

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And actually, as the saying goes, ignorance IS bliss. Because if you don't know any better, it won't hurt you. Hell, I wish I was ignorant with a lot that goes on in my life.


Ack. My apologies, I've completely strayed from the topic, I think.
 

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Eh we both have. I think my irritation with ignorance is partially due to my age. Im 23 and have just begun to realize things about life. That it sucks and is not fair.
 

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I am interested in how you view things after the baby is born. I was very much the same way with Atticus, but I will tell you that we went through a VERY rough patch with him for the first five months or so. Questioning whether we should have him, if the risk/reward was worth it, him being around such a fragile little life. My suggestion for you is to take some classes regarding dogs and newborns. It helped us out immensely. But just be prepared for you both to experience some very real emotions after the birth of your child in regards to the dog and the baby. It was HORRIBLE for us.
Yeah Cinder, I'm a little "worried" (not at all the right word for it) about it. I tend to be very protective and I certainly don't want a 80+ pound puppy jumping around a newborn baby. We're looking at signing up for classes for newborns and pets. I've already warned Mrs. Nebguy of what will happen if I catch one of her cats crawling on the baby in his crib. I think Lilly Sue will be ok but hyper towards him. Baxter (the Heeler mix) concerns me a little. He's a VERY dominate dog and tends to herd people/dogs. I can also see him becoming a little jealous of the baby. We keep the crates in the living room with us, so they will still be included in the goings on with the baby.
Sorry if this post doesn't make sense, but I took an Ambien about 20 minuts ago.
 

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I had a customer in last night that said they are concerned about their 10 month puppy growling and lunging at company. I gave them a pamphlet for a local dog trainer and told them in the meantime to crate the pup when they have people over, they said he doesn't like his crate :twisted:. They have a young child and I stressed to never leave the dog and child unsupervised at any time. The response was "they are fine together, the pup would never hurt our child" :roll: I'm sorry but people tick me off when I try to help and they won't listen.
I will admit Zeus was a rebound on my last dog, he is from a friend's BYB. So far I have been lucky health wise but I have had to deal with his pick and choose dog aggression. As far as rescue vrs breeder :-k I can't agree more with Lisa that temperament is genetic. I wont deny that many of my customer's rescued dogs seem to know that the owner has taken them out of a bad situation and made their life more stable. At the same time there is no guarantee that a breeder is going to produce a sound dog. Even though I support the local HS and rescues , I feel a dog that is fostered is more of a guarantee of temperament then one that is put in a kennel waiting for adoption.
 

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Eh we both have. I think my irritation with ignorance is partially due to my age. Im 23 and have just begun to realize things about life. That it sucks and is not fair.
Life is a product of the choices you make. Only you can make it not suck. ;)
 

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Yeah Cinder, I'm a little "worried" (not at all the right word for it) about it. I tend to be very protective and I certainly don't want a 80+ pound puppy jumping around a newborn baby. We're looking at signing up for classes for newborns and pets. I've already warned Mrs. Nebguy of what will happen if I catch one of her cats crawling on the baby in his crib. I think Lilly Sue will be ok but hyper towards him. Baxter (the Heeler mix) concerns me a little. He's a VERY dominate dog and tends to herd people/dogs. I can also see him becoming a little jealous of the baby. We keep the crates in the living room with us, so they will still be included in the goings on with the baby.
Sorry if this post doesn't make sense, but I took an Ambien about 20 minuts ago.
Hijack of the thread! :)

With regards to the cat, keep the room to the baby closed. We have two cats, and that was our concern. Just make sure you shoosh everyone out of the room when it's night time, and close the door.
 

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As far as breeder vs rescue, I got from a REPUTABLE breeder and I got the dog I was looking for. You can get a great dog from a BYB and a crap dog from a REPUTABLE breeder too, just your chances of getting a great dog from a REPUTABLE breeder are alot better and also how things get handled if there is an issue. I'm not sure what papers have to do with anything other than the fact they are registered (woopty), unless they are holding a championship or something. Nothing wrong with a rescue dog, I would take the right dog from a rescue. I know many people with rescues and they are all great dogs.
 

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Life is a product of the choices you make. Only you can make it not suck. ;)
I'm happy with my life, however it's not just my choices that can make it sucky. Peoples dumb decisions affect my life everyday. It's whether I choose to let it affect me that decides how sucky it can be.
 

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Hey now, I resemble that remark! :lol::lol:
Giving our current situation, I'm watching for threads involving dogs/kids..
Probably the biggest reasons that we bought a dog from a breeder is: 1) We bought into the misconceptions about rescues. 2) Like Sarah posted, an unstable AB can be one dangerous critter, so we thought we were hedging our bets by knowing the dog's pedigree :roll: 3) We fell in love with the breed after meeting only one dog (our neighbor's dog who by the way was from a really crappy BYB) and made our decision from just that and lots of internet research.
Even the most conscientious breeders who are genuinely trying to produce good dogs will produce some bad ones from time to time. No matter how hard one tries, puppies are always a crapshoot. Now with that being said I have to say that I DO believe that you can "hedge your bets" by knowing the pedigree. But, there is a difference between looking on Pedigree Database (or the actual paper pedigree), reading a bunch of names and actually knowing about the dogs listed. Reading a bunch of names off a piece of paper or computer screen isn't "knowing" a pedigree unless you actually know the dogs or have at least done some research on them. Many people claim to have done "lots of research" before buying a dog but what does that research entail? I haven't always been this way but when I am considering adding a new dog or puppy to my yard, I am not just researching the parents...I am going back at least 3 generations and further if possible. Often times the dogs are long dead and gone so seeing them in person may not be an option so the next best thing is contacting people who did know the dogs as well as people who already own offspring down from them. I literally spend MONTHS researching dogs. Hours upon hours of emails, phone calls and in some cases actual visits to people's yards just so I can get a better idea of what to expect.

No matter how much time is spent researching a pedigree, it is no guarantee you will get what you want BUT it most certainly "hedges your bets".
 

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No matter how much time is spent researching a pedigree, it is no guarantee you will get what you want BUT it most certainly "hedges your bets".
Yeah Lisa, most of our research was looking into the breed itself, not into the individual dog. Like I said before, I think that we were more informed than a lot of people going in, but we still did a lot of stuff wrong. I know a lot more now than I did before we got Lilly and most of that is from this site. =D>
 

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I was actually looking for a dog from a number of breeders (in hindsight they were probably more BYB than reputable) when I started looking at rescues/shelters. Once I saw all the thousands of dogs being discarded by people, I decided that was the only course of action that would work for me. It's a personal choice, but I just couldn't buy from a breeder and encourage the continued breeding of dogs that would likely end up in a shelter waiting to be PTS. Buying a higher dollar dog from a more reputable breeder lessens that possibility, I'm sure.

The last 3 dogs I've owned (a brindle Greyhound, a Golden/Irish mix, and Bella) have been the most wonderful temperaments of any dogs I've ever seen, and they were all rescues. I've seen some terrible behavioral problems at shelters too, believe me. I'm not sure how I picked dogs that were some wonderfully balanced, but it's just something I knew when I saw them. The ex-fiance got custody of the Grey, and he died of bone cancer at 4 or 5 years of age. Not uncommon for Greys. The Golden/Irish mix (Ginger) died before reaching one year of age. Some kind of tumor developed on her skull. I thought it was just some kind of knot from roughhousing with my brother's Dobe, but obviously it wasn't.

I hear people talk about leaving dogs unsupervised with children, and I always thought they were naive, but I can't explain the 100% certainty that I have about Bella's safety. My brother would NEVER let his grand baby (3 year old girl) be around any dog that he had the slightest doubt about, but he doesn't even give Bella a second thought. You can't even get her to play bite your hand. She just won't open her mouth to you. I can't explain it, and I know you feel the same way about me that I have of others that trusted their dogs, but I trust her more with a kid than I would another kid.

I might purchase my next dog from a breeder, I don't know. But as long as I keep seeing these great dogs that humans discard like trash, I'll probably be rescuing again.
 

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How do you judge someone that knows no better? That seems illogical. The simplest definition of ignorance is un-informed. How can you possibly judge someone that DOESN'T know? The only way you can RIGHTFULLY judge is if someone DOES know, and continues TO. Joe Dog owner doesn't realize that by purchasing a dog from their neighbor, they are contributing to that person more than likely spitting out more pups. They don't realize the implications that could possibly arise from that sale. ONCE they know, THEN blame them. Do you REALLY think that people do their research prior to purchasing? No. We are the EXCEPTION not the rule. Most people want a cute fluffy, and they want it NOW. The idea of googling what does or does not make a good breeder never crosses their mind. The only thing that crosses their mind is googling "American Bulldog breeder in San Diego".

I'll have you know I'm a very thorough, intelligent, and well researched person when it comes to purchasing items. We looked and researched for over a year when it came to purchasing our truck, and the same applied for subsequent vehicles. I PRIDE myself on doing my homework, IF I know what homework I'm to be doing! When it came to buying Atticus, all I knew of was to NOT buy from a pet store, and that was about it. I scoured the newspaper classifieds for breeders, and then thought I had hit the jackpot when I saw the ad for him. It had all kinds of fancy schmancy titles and a kennel, etc. I thought I was doing my homework when I googled the kennel name. In reality, I didn't know SMACK. NOW, after LEARNING from here, I will NEVER make that same mistake. And IF I do, then I can be judged.

And honestly, if YOU love your dog, and YOU are happy with your dog, tell those that look down their noses to piss up a rope.
I was exactly like Cinder. When we decided to get Newman we automatically went to a breeder as we wanted a british bulldog. It didnt even enter my mind to look at a shelter for one as I didnt think they would be the type of dog people "give up" partly due to the very high cost of them here, be it from a BYB or a reputable one. Would I rescue a dog? I dont know. If I was looking to get a dog, knowing what I know now, I would have a look at the shelter here and if I saw something that suited us/lifestyle take him. All I know it where-ever I get a dog from, it is for life, problems and all. :)
 

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Eh we both have. I think my irritation with ignorance is partially due to my age. Im 23 and have just begun to realize things about life. That it sucks and is not fair.
I find it hard to believe you are only 23. You are, in my opinion so wise and knowledgeable about dogs. Sorry, that sounds as if Im saying 23 year olds are dumb....Im not. Just most of the 20 odd year olds I know (my eldest son is 20) wouldnt have half the insight you do, nor care as much. :)
And now Ive strayed off topic. Sorry.
 
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