[kogeki]

That show rocked!!!! I couldnt believe that was on AP. The Ring 3 dog, with the most points, was amazing.

 

[kogeki]

Maybe they'll show it again or I can catch it on-demand on something!

We Tivo'd it so I can see if I can do anything with it :twisted:

 

[kogeki]

It doesnt matter where you live to get tivo. As long as you have cable or satellitte and an internet connection, you can use tivo. You have to buy the unit and then its about $12 a month and $6 for each additional tv in your house with tivo. I hate watching tv without tivo! I always get distracted by something so I have to rewind it if I missed something. You can network your tivo to your computer too so you can transfer your shows to you computer. You can then watch them there, on a pocket pc, or wherever.

 

[kogeki]

Those dogs were incredible. I cant believe the decoys weren't wearing gloves when trying to take the object.

Peter C, do you know why "guard the object" was dropped from Schutzhund?

 

[kogeki]

I read it in this book: Schutzhund: Theory and Training Methods - by Susan Barwig
http://www.amazon.com/Schutzhund-Th..._bbs_sr_1/002-4377085-5712032?ie=UTF8&s=books

I'll scan in the page where it mentions it. There is also an old photo of a GSD guarding a glove.

 

[kogeki]

I am not a fan of guard d'object in French Ring. Not really applicable to anything in life. However, to train a dog to do this sort of thing takes a very clear headed special dog and a talented trainer.

I was thinking it may applicable to Police K-9. The cop may want the dog to guard something dropped by a subject.

 

[kogeki]

I read it in this book: Schutzhund: Theory and Training Methods - by Susan Barwig
http://www.amazon.com/Schutzhund-Th..._bbs_sr_1/002-4377085-5712032?ie=UTF8&s=books

I'll scan in the page where it mentions it. There is also an old photo of a GSD guarding a glove.

I guess its time for me to go back and re read that book! Interesting piece of history!

Its always possible its incorrect. But it is a very old photo of a GSD looking pretty nasty guarding the glove. There is also a photo of a guy being attacked while firing a gun. The caption for both photos is "Two exercises that no longer play a part in Schutzhund: the attack under gunfire and guarding an object"

 

[kogeki]

hmmmm ok. you tell it to guard an object. Let's say another detective comes along and needs to collect the evidence (object). As this exercise states, the dog BITES without command, on its own. No, I don't think this is what you want.

I'm just thinking of possible real world applications. Just throwing ideas out there.

 

[kogeki]

That is very interesting, Thom....Schutzhund has removed alot of good things from their program....another being the attack out of the blind. It would be nice if the Germans could see the light and revert back to the old style, unfortuantely it seems they are bowing to society and going the total opposite way...really sucks. I wonder how long before there are no bites left at all in the trial? Hell, there's only 3 now for a SCH I.

Only 3 bites? Really? So whats the deal? Is society saying the sport creates dnagerous dogs or some BS like that and the Germans are backing down? WTF?

 

[kogeki]

That is very interesting, Thom....Schutzhund has removed alot of good things from their program....another being the attack out of the blind. It would be nice if the Germans could see the light and revert back to the old style, unfortuantely it seems they are bowing to society and going the total opposite way...really sucks. I wonder how long before there are no bites left at all in the trial? Hell, there's only 3 now for a SCH I.

Only 3 bites? Really? So whats the deal? Is society saying the sport creates dnagerous dogs or some BS like that and the Germans are backing down? WTF?

Yup, escape bite, re-attack, and courage test. Alot of it comes down to making it easier for the show GSD's. Over there in order to register a GSD litter the sire and dam need to be SCH titled. By taking out exercises you make it easier for the show dogs to pass. They have these trials over there that are known in the Schutzhund circuit as "monday" trials where titles are basically given away. It is pathetic. The show breeders there know which judges they can pass under and show under them.

Now see I really admired the GSD breeding program that they have in Germany because the parents must be Schutzhund titled before breeding. Well that just went out the window. That sucks. I had no idea the titles were basically given away.

 

[kogeki]

See, everytime I thought about bite work I would imagine the dogs biting the arms of the decoy. I never imagined them going for the legs instead but I guess that makes sense. Though during the test with the "gun", shouldn't they bite the arm holding the gun to sort of "disarm" the decoy because in a real situation the criminal would simple shoot the dog biting his legs wouldn't he?

That makes sense to me. My doctor has two highly trained GSDs and they can tell which weapon is a higher threat and then neutralize that threat first. For example if two guys were running at them, one with a knife and one with a gun, theyd take out the gun first. Theyd go for the arm that has the weapon.