[PeterC]

in Ring.

Canada is a hot bed for french ring.

As for the leg bites, in French Ring, all dogs are imprinted for the leg bite. Why? It is easy to take the arm away so the dog cannot get the bite. It is HARD to take a leg away.

There is so much going on that many will not understand the technique of the decoy and the dog.

By the way, if the decoy tries to cover up his leg, the dog must go for the upper body. In ring the dog bites whatever is available. legs are ALWAYS available. the arm can be easily taken away. That is why our dogs bite the leg.

 

[PeterC]

Guard d'Object is a French Ring thing. I don't think sch had it.
It is VERY VERY hard to teach. It is probably the hardest OB exercise to teach in all dog world.

I did hear from old Bill, a schutzhunder, that long ago they did have an exercise that put a kid in the middle and the dog was to guard the kid, very similar to the basket. I don't think it would have been as technical, but you get the idea.

I am not a fan of guard d'object in French Ring. Not really applicable to anything in life. However, to train a dog to do this sort of thing takes a very clear headed special dog and a talented trainer.

If anyone of you want to get into a suit, I would join a French Ring club. You learn much there.

 

[PeterC]

hmmmm ok. you tell it to guard an object. Let's say another detective comes along and needs to collect the evidence (object). As this exercise states, the dog BITES without command, on its own. No, I don't think this is what you want.

I think Ring merely shows the innate ability, genetically, of the dog.(trainability, intelligence, endurance, mental stability, bite apptitude, clarity of head). I don't think any part of ring or schutzhund, as it is today, has ANY relavance to real world protection work. Much of it does not make sense. However, I think it is a TRAINER's sport. You learn alot from trainers smarter, more experienced than yourself.

 

[PeterC]

would that not make it easier to shoot the dog, if it comes directly for the gun?

I don't think ANYONE can really believe a dog is going to protect you against a gunned adversary. However, it will give you TIME. Time can mean life and death. THAT is the PP dog's job. Take the bullet, give the owner couple of seconds to run away.

LOL. if the guy misses, he is going to get messed up. LOL.

 

[PeterC]

too easy for the dog to miss the hand carrying the gun. Try it next time with your dog. Have a cookie in your hand. If you don't want the dog to get it, can he just grab it or can you just move your hand out of the way.

Legs, you cannot move so easily. Besides, there is a femoral nerve on your thigh. YOu get bit there, you go limp.

In any case, there is a reason in ALL the personal protection tournaments I have been to, the dog never targets the hand. The hand is too fast and how would you train for that? Decoy with gloves? The dog would crush your hand with any sort of protective gloves.

 

[PeterC]

Cinder......

Having dogs and training PP dogs, I am VERY well versed in legal implications of various scenarios. If one thing I can be guilty of, I am very organized and meticulous.

Generally, there are various ways of teaching the dog in home invasion scenarios. In generality, since every case is different, if the robber is in the owner's living space, like living room and especially the bedroom, it is a "free" bite. If nobody is home and the robber dies because of it, the home owner is not liable. However, if the owner is home, they must try, if safe to do so (and this is the vague part - when is it safe), they MUST try to control the dog once the threat is averted. This has clear implication. When I am home vs when my wife is at home, the courts will view this as being very different.

Now, remember. "home" is not your yard, garage, or porch. It must be "living space", inside of the house.

I would highly doubt any court that would convict me when my dog KILLS a robber in my bedroom when my wife is at home alone. Here is the trump card. When is it safe for the the to STOP fighting, when the robber has a club or a knife? No. I have specific instructions for my wife when such things happen. YOU RUN OUT ........close the door .......and calll the police. The dog gave you time to escape. THAT IS A HOME INVASION DOG. If the dog has to give his life to give you this time, that is a noble job well done. Of course, the biggest job is as a deterrent.

If your dog bites VIRTUALLY anyone for whatever reason on YOUR own yard, even if he IS a robber, there have been cases where the robber sued the home owner. Please ask your insurance broker. They will tell you this to be true.

That is why you need a great fence. To protect the bad guy. And really, I don't want someone to get killed because he is a drug addict.

So, here is a question for you. What if your dogs are on your GATED porch, on the upper floor of your OWN home and bites a bad guy?
Answer: The porch must have a gate AND MUST HAVE A LOCKING MECHANISM, not just a latch. The idea is that the home owner must do EVERYTHING to protect the robber. Yep, I have a auto locking porch gate, with a pad lock.

I will tell you one thing, though. I feel pretty good when my doggies are home with my wife. I just felt a little sorry for the Jahova Witnesses. :lol: