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There are several people who work with em on here and swear by em. I have chit chat with PeterC about it a bit back, and am waiting for Sheila to A) get her basics down really good, starting to use a prong with mild corrections now and B) for her to get a little older when she will understand more what is expected from her while we train. Right now training is short and like a game to her. But like you I have only heard good things (except for those comments from tree huggers) and have actually tested a friends E collar on myself. Not all that bad, more like a suprising zap out of no where type of thing, but as PeterC mentioned there is alot of work involved regarding timing of the corrections after the command so you don't end up with a screwed up dog.
 
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