[4NGI3]

Thru this whole forum, I've read that people use pinch collars to help get their dogs to walk properly and not pull when going for walks.

I've been to seeveral pet stores here in Western Australia and no pet store has seen or even heard of a pinch collar. they have choke collars here at all pet stores.

as i understand the choke collars are bad because they actually "choke" the dog. where as the pinch collars give them a pinch on the back of the neck? is this right? i saw a picture of a pinch collar and those suckers look pretty nasty. can someone tell me how they work and whether they are better than choke collars.

Nelson walks normally most of the time when we go for walks, but some times he stops to smell another dog's pee and he can be there for ages and i have to pull really hard to get him to leave. and since right now he only has a leather collar, i'm afraid i'm choking him anyway pulling so hard on his leather collar.

would a pinch collar be a good collar to get for nelson? or should i jsut walk him on his leather collar?

thanks.

 

[Bustersmommy]

You will find that everyone here has there own opinion on chokers/pinch collars.
You will find that those who do use the pinch collars use it because there dogs are 1,either built strong and need this to walk there dog 2,for training.The choke collar will not choke your dog.I myself prefer the choke collar.When the dog is pulling or out of line U give a quick tug,release and yell Heel.The only way you are going to choke your dog is if you give a tug and not let go.The choke has worked for me with training and walking.You will also find many that use a harness.I also like the harness.You have more control with the harness then a regualr collar.

It all comes down to what you prefer and what works best with your dog.I have used all : pinch,choker and harness and all worked fine but i prefer the choker for my dog.Remember to take off the collar when there is no need for them to prevent anything from happining.

 

[attitude]

tho i have no problem with pinch collars (use em all the time) i think that neilson is a little young and would benifit more right now from formal ob training. if you go to a pinch to solve small issues such as this neilson will always be wearing a pinch and will not behave himself without.

 

[Kasco]

Choke collars can and will choke your dog, especially if they're pullers on the lead. They can cause serious damage to the dog's throat. Prong collars apply even pressure around the neck and if used properly are extremely effective for correction.

 

[4NGI3]

tho i have no problem with pinch collars (use em all the time) i think that neilson is a little young and would benifit more right now from formal ob training. if you go to a pinch to solve small issues such as this neilson will always be wearing a pinch and will not behave himself without.

i thought as much just wanted to make sure. thanks.

 

[attitude]

what area are you in, was it australia? trainers in australia, hmm that could be a hard one! lol

 

[Lisa]

How old is Nelson?

 

[4NGI3]

nelson is 7mths old. and yes i'm in australia

 

[Lisa]

Well, IMO I don't think it's too young for a pinch collar. If you are having trouble finding one in Australia, it may bbe because they are illegal to sell. I have heard that being the case in some countries.

 

[4NGI3]

Well, IMO I don't think it's too young for a pinch collar. If you are having trouble finding one in Australia, it may bbe because they are illegal to sell. I have heard that being the case in some countries.

why are they illegal? the only reason i can think that they would be illegal is because they're inhumane? if its a normal training tool i can't see why they would be illegal. are tehre some people who think that is in humane to use a pinch collar? what do they actually do? do they give the dog a pinch on the neck?

 

[bella_blue]

the only reason i can think that they would be illegal is because they're inhumane?

Or the perception that they're inhumane. IMO, choke chains are much more inhumane than prong/pinch collars. I hate watching a dog choke itself almost to the point of passing out while on a choke chain.

 

[4NGI3]

so do u need special training on how to use a pinch collar before you use it on your dog?

i've seen them on ebay but there's spiky things all over it, there must be a special way to put it on if not i'm sure you coudl hurt the dog if its not on right. like choke collars i know theres a special way to put them on like when u link it up to make the loop it has to go on a special way so it loosens after you pull on it when walking the dog.

 

[RoxyV2]

another one to look for if you are concerned about choking your pup is a half-choke or martingale collar... it only has a small section of link and the rest is a band like a regular nylon collar. For my pup it worked for most all training except walking on leash... (she was too excited) so for that we went to a prong collar (aka pinch)

good luck!

 

[sjburns]

The Gentle Leader

I started Maxine on the pinch collar when she was a year old, she is now 6 years old. The pinch collar only worked for a few months until she got used to the pain of the prongs poking her. I have used The Gentle Leader ever since and have recommended it to several of my friends for any breed.

The Gentle Leader goes over the muzzle and around the top of the neck. When the dog starts to pull, it tightens around the muzzle. When the dog is nearer to you, it loosens. It is supposed to simulate a mother's training where she will nip a puppy on the muzzle to correct their behavior. You can order it from Drs. Foster and Smith online for $19.99. The only place I've been able to find it locally is Pet Supermarket. Even PetsMart doesn't carry it.

 

[Roxy]

We use centre choke whislt training, prong collars are banned in this country and choke collars are hard to buy too. I think they have been banned due to ppl not using them correctly. You should really see a trainer to ensure it is being used correct. I hate the things...they look nasty and the sort of thing you would see a thug using on a dangerous dog!

You can't beat obidience classes.....all thdog at our class have the cloth or centre chokes on and in the advance classes most have standard collars on.

Quote from another forum.....
"
I personally think that prongs should not be available to the general public.

They are wonderful tools for training, but get abused WHY too much, sometimes intentionally.. sometimes unintentionally..

90% of people do not know how to use them correctly, which can cause damage to the dog, and really make huge backward steps in the dog's training, by infact teaching more bad behaviour than good!"

Here's a link for another point of view
http://www.learningdog.com/articles/article/864436/7096.htm

 

[racmoo]

hi

havent been here for a while...bella has choke check chain because we live in VIC, prongs are illegal here. her choke collar is great for training and we try to use the flat collar the rest of the time.

for advice on the prong in Australia you should contact this guy

http://www.k9force.net/tcollars.html

he sells them by mail order. youu may find that he will grow out of pulling sooner than you think bella is way way better now than she used to be.

good luck
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[racmoo]

what area are you in, was it australia? trainers in australia, hmm that could be a hard one! lol

are you serious? there are plenty of great trainers here.

 

[Angelika]

Nelson walks normally most of the time when we go for walks, but some times he stops to smell another dog's pee and he can be there for ages and i have to pull really hard to get him to leave. and since right now he only has a leather collar, i'm afraid i'm choking him anyway pulling so hard on his leather collar.

would a pinch collar be a good collar to get for nelson? or should i jsut walk him on his leather collar?

thanks.

When he walks normally most of the time I wouldn't use a pinch collar to get him away from pee. You need to understand, PEE is more intresting for him than you are in this moment! Why you don't take his favorite toy to get him away? or if he like food take some titbits to get him away. Those things attract him, you will be intresting for him and he will be happy to follow you. Always first try to get attention in a good way.

 

[Tia]

Well puppies are alot of work and FUN. I think Nelson is just enjoying life as a puppy and you should be happy hes curious and not scared and wants to check things out.If there is something you come across that you dont want him around,then find soemthing that interests him and use it to your advantage.I have a Male Boris, who is quite big 95pds. and Since he was a youngster NEVER wore choker,prong,gentle leader etc.. for training.If use a toy,food,whatever is your dogs favorite toy and reward him for being good. What ive always done is the dog listens and works for ME FIRST, then is rewarded for it.So i build drive with toy,boris heels correctly i drop his tug to him.You statrt in babay steps.Wlak one step he looks at you,drop the tug.I have NEVER had to resort to a collar to make a behavor,BUT i do use them to correct once he knows what is expected of him and he knows "sit" "platz" to reinforce.With this method Boris has NEVER pulled on leash.Even as a youngster.Im talking 6 months old younger then that i let them do what they want and explore.
But if i had to pick a collar PRONG all the way i hate chokers.

 

[halo]

halti

There is also a collar called a halti it not only goes around the neck but the muzzles as well some are called gentle leaders. you have better control because the dogs go where there heads go. and it is gentle on them. you need to get him use to the halti first but they do really good with them. this is just an opinion someone recomeneded them to me and they work pretty good. I have a pinch collar but I can't bring myself to use it on them but that is just me. there is nothing wrong with using them. Hope this helps. I just wanted to give you another option so you can have as many ideas and choices as possible and then you can use what you are comfortable with.
Good luck