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Well, damn. Get one problem solved and now on to another...
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Did 4 sessions of bitework with Smooch today since I left Rosco at home and it would seem that we have ler lack of barking solved. 4 sessions of excellent barking. YAY!! Its been such a long time coming!! So now we have to get her targetting better. Would seem she is having problems with that in the long bites :x launching too soon and missing her target. Its funny because from a stationary position she launches a little slow..the opposite problem. It's always something. That's training I guess!

Thanks for listening to my rant!
 

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lmao, if it isn't one thing it will be another! and on trial day it will be something altogether different :laughing6: :laughing6:
dogs are JUST like that. this week izzy doesn't know what down means :dontknow: three weeks ago it was "what the heck is a sit?" :toothy3: they do it on purpose to see if they can drive us nuts :toothy3: :toothy3: i think it is workin :sad1:
 

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lmao, if it isn't one thing it will be another! and on trial day it will be something altogether different :laughing6: :laughing6:
dogs are JUST like that. this week izzy doesn't know what down means :dontknow: three weeks ago it was "what the heck is a sit?" :toothy3: they do it on purpose to see if they can drive us nuts :toothy3: :toothy3: i think it is workin :sad1:
They do drive us nuts!

BTW i forgot to mention that I tried working Smooch on a bungee line on the post the last session. First time ever handling a dog on a bungee. Anyone ever tried that? Opinions? Still trying to understand it fully and handle the line properly, but hey its interesting and seemed to work well. I am sure I will understand the concept better the more times we do it. :)
 

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Lisa said:
attitude said:
lmao, if it isn't one thing it will be another! and on trial day it will be something altogether different :laughing6: :laughing6:
dogs are JUST like that. this week izzy doesn't know what down means :dontknow: three weeks ago it was "what the heck is a sit?" :toothy3: they do it on purpose to see if they can drive us nuts :toothy3: :toothy3: i think it is workin :sad1:
They do drive us nuts!

BTW i forgot to mention that I tried working Smooch on a bungee line on the post the last session. First time ever handling a dog on a bungee. Anyone ever tried that? Opinions? Still trying to understand it fully and handle the line properly, but hey its interesting and seemed to work well. I am sure I will understand the concept better the more times we do it. :)
i have done some bungee work. honestly i think proper leash work ends up being more effective in the end.
 

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What did you not like about the bungee, attitude?
 

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What did you not like about the bungee, attitude?
you tend to lack enough control with it, specially if it is a heavy one. it can be useful to set a good bite i suppose but you can also do some damage if the dog misses the bite and the bungee is extended. good leash handling can accomplish the same end, imo
 

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Yeah and thanks for the answer. I am not really sure what I think about it yet, but I am sure I will form an opinion after a few more sessions.
 

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Question for Lisa.

Hi there!

Do you have or can you get any video of the long send (bite) that I might be able to see?

Just curious! Great job with that big boy!

Safe training,
Chris Fraize
 

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I would also like to ask what age is your dog?

Soemtimes problems are just a matter of maturity. Please forgive my bluntness but introducing a Bungee for targeting wasn't the best idea for targeting. A Bungee is used extensively for bite building. It is also used for dogs who like to transfere their bite from one spot to another and for those who "chew" on a bite also.

You'd be better off (considering we haven't seen the dog nor know its age) attaching the line to a "drag" (could be a tire) and build from there. Yet don't forget that nothing substitute experience. If its a matter of inexperience, then once she gets her "distance" figured out you'll see it all come together. Hope this helps, happy training.
 

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Hi Chris, no I do not have any video of her long bites right now but I know there was some video going on at training today, not sure if we got any of that though.

Nelson, thank you so much for the input. My female will be 2 next month. She definitely has lots of maturing to do. I find that she still acts puppyish at times.

As far as the bungee, I do realize that it is for working on grips. Sorry if I made it sound like that is why we had introduced that. We also have a malinios at our club that is being worked on one. I don't think I will be doing alot of bungee work, did none today. Probably soemething will use on occassion if my trainer thinks it may be useful He calls most of the shots. My girls grips could be better at times also, so I am sure that is the reason why I was asked to work her on that the last time out. I am hoping that her targetting issues are just that, lack of experience and bad timing. Only time will tell i guess. Thanks again and I hope you start posting on the forum more often and feel free to visit my clubs message board. You can access it by clicking on the link in my signature. We are a friendly bunch! :D
 

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Sounds like a plan Lisa!

One more thing, don't forget about the plateau. At sometimes in their lives, dogs will reach a training plateau. You'll see them suddenly act as if they have little training or even no training at all. This has nothing to do with maturity or training. But it is the tiem to give your dog a small vacation. Anywhere from 2 - 4 weeks, depending on each individual. Hope this helps.
 

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I like the bungee for improving the targeting on the long bite.... IMO it puts the dog in slow motion so that the targeting of the grip can be easier controlled by the decoy. We give the dog many sessions and then we start with short bites (10 yards w/ no line or loose line) and build distance back up. It has also helped with dogs that are slow... again this is a situational tool to improve certain aspects of performance. Some dogs just don't need it.

This is what I like about training.... it's not cookie cutter and if it is maybe we should re-think what we do.
 

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I like the bungee for improving the targeting on the long bite.... IMO it puts the dog in slow motion so that the targeting of the grip can be easier controlled by the decoy. We give the dog many sessions and then we start with short bites (10 yards w/ no line or loose line) and build distance back up. It has also helped with dogs that are slow... again this is a situational tool to improve certain aspects of performance. Some dogs just don't need it.

This is what I like about training.... it's not cookie cutter and if it is maybe we should re-think what we do.
Cool, wkrnrott. Maybe my girl was put on the bungee for the targetting as well? I just assumed it was for her grips because prior to her being worked on the bungee there was a mal being worked on one that has gripping issues. I just assumed that was why we were working her on that as well. Maybe there is a method to my trainers madness?? LOL. Sometimes theres not alot of time for questions out there. Always learning, thanks. :)
 

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attitude said:
Lisa said:
What did you not like about the bungee, attitude?
you tend to lack enough control with it, specially if it is a heavy one. it can be useful to set a good bite i suppose but you can also do some damage if the dog misses the bite and the bungee is extended. good leash handling can accomplish the same end, imo
We always take the bungee and stretch it out as far as we can pull (dog should be able to reach this distance) it and mark the ground for the decoy. The nice thing about the grip side of working the bungee is that the dog quickly realizes that if he is munching on the sleeve he will lose the bite with consequences... :shock:

Another benefit for me is that.... I can work the dog longer on the grip without the handler getting tired; it is just me against the dog and bungee!

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