[Redbull]

thnx yeah, this guy really does move well tho

you're seeing him tied for the most part in this clip so you don't really get to see him move too far, so I know where you're coming from if you think that

 

[Tia]

I find the dog i nice bully specimen for a johnson type, that is what they r now a days i would never by one but that is what they r looking like these days. Fits the standard of whats in the rings these days. But about the rest i would agree with everyone else (training wise)

 

[CowBella]

He is certainly an interesting looking dog, but then again, I'm partial to the non working EB's. Being that I am NOT a worker or trainer of dogs and professional sports... I think I can give an unbiased opinion here...

He certianly looks tough... but heavy and slow.. not too athletic. There are quite a few other breeds or hybrids that are more athletic with as much intimidation power. If the 'bad guy' can outrun him for 25 yards, he's home free...

I don't think that extremes in any breed or breed type should be used for breeding, it becomes the end of the breed. (I know that sounds hipacritical coming from an EB owner, but EB owners arent striving for working ability, nor claiming it.)

Look at these "pitbulls"

http://www.third-coast-bully-convention.com/gallery1.html

These aren't pit bulls, these dogs are only bred to satisfy egos.... Yah.. these dogs can be placed with someone that has gotten titles on dogs, judges dogs (thats not saying alot, IMO training the dog to BE judged is the hard part) But that's not going to do anything to the genetic make up of the dog. In some of those photos, the owners are facing the dogs, to what end? IF these dogs were matched against each other **not endorsing matching dogs, but that's why this breed is still alive, people historically pitted them against each other to test gameness**.... they would die of suffocation or a heart attack long before the other dog actually tested gameness.

Likewise, Meathead seems to be a bit too extreme to get the job done effectively, and would tire out before actually be pushed to his limit. I mean... he looked cumbersome just walking in the field. An intact male let off leash in a big field would certianly be a bit more enthusiastic, I would think.

But.. what do I know? I'm just a stay at home mom, that takes care of her kids, and loves on her two lazy bullies. English bullies at that... :roll:

 

[wrknrott]

Now that I have caught up.....

reading this thread!

Evan.... if you like low drive bully's, then thats great! Have fun fun with it.... it will make a wonderful pet for you I'm sure!

If you don't like the direction these threads you start go.... then I would suggest that you stop posting things that YOU can not back up! You are all TALK TALK TALK..... bla bla bla and bla........ proof is in the pudding! I could care less that Jose has more experience than I, but I'm not the one working a low drive dog in shorts either!

8)

 

[Lisa]

Evan, I REALLY wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. I am not talking smack about anyone or their dogs. Can you please show me where I have done this?? I asked you what dogs Jose has titled to in PSA. I asked you the age of the dog. Please explain to me how that is talking smack? If you go back and read the whole thread you will see that I am probably the only one who did not saing anything (positive or negative) regarding the dog, the training methods, or the trainer. Don't you think for someone to give an opinion that giving the age and experience of the dog is important?

Lower your hackles Evan and try not to be so defenisve. People should be able to ask questions without having words put into their mouth...you seem to have a habit of doing that.

 

[paulnzeus]

I'm not qualified for this thread as I don't work my dog as of yet. He is a nice looking dog defenately pumped. My question is why would someone work a dog like that. He looks like Arnald Swartzniger trying to leap herdals. Why wouldn't the Scott/Standard type like Zeus not be the prefered AB?. He is strong, fast and agile. Go easy on me, just a question. :lol: Oh Ya, also you PM'd me about Zeus and I sent you two back with no response :evil:

 

[Redbull]

My question is why would someone work a dog like that. He looks like Arnald Swartzniger trying to leap herdals. Why wouldn't the Scott/Standard type like Zeus not be the prefered AB?.

The answer is, the standard/performance type are the preferred ab to work. And in honesty the belgian malinois is even more preferred, but the question is what is your own preference in dog to own and why not work a dog if it's willing and able to work? Like I had said, the purpose of me getting another dog is not so I can compete in pp sports, although I will be training him. If my intentions were to get a dog solely based on the fact I want to pursue a long future in pp training, then I would get a hardcore pp dog specifically bred for it. But anyhow, since he's the sire of my future pup that I am deciding to work, I posted this vid in here. Hope that helps to explain. Either way, I was getting a bully AB pup as my future dog - but I am tailoring my pick on a working prospect (because I have pick of any litter from this particular breeder - as well the breeder has the ability to screen upcoming litters and imprint from a very early age for me), if that makes sense.

 

[paulnzeus]

When will you be getting him/her?. Love to see the pics. Can't/won't argue your logic. Thanks for the PM.

 

[bigut64]

i thought he looked like a nice appartment dog that would scare a burgalar away from looks alone. However he seemed to be very clumsy, slow, and short breathed (from the short bully muzzle). Me I think he is a good looking dog, however i do not think he would be a good working dog(i dont want a working dog, so i think he would be a good dog for me).

 

[Redbull]

When will you be getting him/her?. Love to see the pics. Can't/won't argue your logic. Thanks for the PM.

np hehe. not for a while. sometime in the summer. no winter puppies for me :lol:

 

[Family of 5]

to me and this is strictly my opinion...I have a hard time giving that dog much "working" credit considering the weakness of the trainer. There doesn't appear to be any pressure being placed on the dog and the sleeve appears to be more of a toy/treat than anything. I'd like to see the dog in a harness instead of that collar. If he was extremely driven his larynx could suffer major damage.

As for the dog, he looks very thick and powerful but his wind is certainly an issue. Everything looks like a struggle to me. If it were me and I were looking for a dog from this website I'd be more ap to take a look @ the pit before this AB.

As for a working AB......this is more of what I consider a real working dog and trainer

 

[Erica]

:happy1:

I have a working video...check it out..."Workin for the Weekend"..




Sorry guys...Just thought I would throw a monkey wrench in the muck..

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Redbull]

As for a working AB......this is more of what I consider a real working dog and trainer

Manstoppers doesn't actively train anymore, no time to focus on a few dogs, he's busy flying all over the place to judge and evaluate, etc. I guess next time I should be more specific in my posts about the situation revolving around my own prospect. Basically I trust Jose to make the right pick for me because of his experience, and when he tells me about which of his dogs have this drive or that drive ( fact is all of his dogs are drivey - that's what he produces are drivey bullies who can also go on to become champs in the show ring ). Again I will tell you that the reason I am getting a dog from him is because one is owed to me. I am not specifically going out there to find a dog that will get me places in PSA, although I'm gearing my pick towards a prospect. Out of all the bully AB breeders out there, I respect Jose the most for his program, his dogs, and his experience. If I wanted to be 100% certain about a prosepct, then yes I would have gone somewhere who only focuses on a small # of dogs who are titled and then bred, because the chances are much greater then. I don't see this dog struggling though in anyway, unless you consider his struggling on his chain to be due to his body. Don't think so though, it's called being restrained A 10 second video of his dog free-stacking and biting a sleeve is not going to show you how much wind the dog has, nor will it give you enough info to base his moveability around, especially being restrained like that and purposely being stacked for the camera to show his structure. IF you want to see his movement - maybe Jose should post up a video of the dog chasing his car lol.

 

[BanterBull]

:happy1:

I have a working video...check it out..."Workin for the Weekend"..




Sorry guys...Just thought I would throw a monkey wrench in the muck..

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

When I was a kid, my lab/golden mix could climb ladders, but would jump back down. Cool video.

 

[Tia]

Family of 5 Appreciate the compliment thats my boy Boris and Helper Darin Clarke . Who is a handler/trainer/helper

 

[Redbull]

Family of 5, I appreciate the comment as well and concerns on why I am getting the dog I am getting, but it comes across as being arrogant and ignorant on your behalf.

I'd say you should probably read before you go telling people what they should or should not do. I've explained myself more than once before you posted that. Less assuming and more reading really does a lot of good


Here, I'll spell it out quite simply for you again,

My question is why would someone work a dog like that. He looks like Arnald Swartzniger trying to leap herdals. Why wouldn't the Scott/Standard type like Zeus not be the prefered AB?.

The answer is, the standard/performance type are the preferred ab to work. And in honesty the belgian malinois is even more preferred, but the question is what is your own preference in dog to own and why not work a dog if it's willing and able to work? Like I had said, the purpose of me getting another dog is not so I can compete in pp sports, although I will be training him. If my intentions were to get a dog solely based on the fact I want to pursue a long future in pp training, then I would get a hardcore pp dog specifically bred for it. But anyhow, since he's the sire of my future pup that I am deciding to work, I posted this vid in here. Hope that helps to explain. Either way, I was getting a bully AB pup as my future dog - but I am tailoring my pick on a working prospect (because I have pick of any litter from this particular breeder because it is owed to me - as well the breeder has the ability to screen upcoming litters and imprint from a very early age for me), if that makes sense.

If you had read that, you'd see it's not quite a hard concept to grasp at all. fairly straight-forward
It's a no-brainer actually.

 

[Family of 5]

Family of 5, I appreciate the comment as well and concerns on why I am getting the dog I am getting, but it comes across as being arrogant and ignorant on your behalf.

I'd say you should probably read before you go telling people what they should or should not do. I've explained myself more than once before you posted that. Less assuming and more reading really does a lot of good


Here, I'll spell it out quite simply for you again,

Where did I say you should or shouldn't do anything?

 

[Redbull]

Yes, I was explaining my actions to the other person, and quoted myself so you can read why I am getting this dog.

Giving me your opinion and what you'd rather get as a working dog only comes across as arrogant though, and completely unrelated to my initial post

As for a working AB......this is more of what I consider a real working dog and trainer

That's great that you think that, but again, unrelated, unnessecary (this isn't a debate about which dogs are the best to work). It's not a thread asking ppl who I should get my next dog from.

 

[Bremner53]

Geez Evan, getting a little defensive for no reason. :?

 

[Redbull]

Geez Evan, getting a little defensive for no reason. :?

Defensive? Not really I could care less about what ppl here would think of my dog(s).

But it's more like setting ppl straight who assume way too much and throw in so much unrelated banter that I'm so sick of always hearing on this board. It tends to happen mucho muy over here :lol: