So the lady i bought Mr. Jenkins from (a BYB), supposedly had Jenkins' parents, the sire and dam CKC registered (the paper showed that anyway). I sent off the CKC form in hopes of getting Mr. Jenkins' pedigree. Low and behold, the CKC couldn't find one or both of Jenkins' parents in their system. I should have never bought from a BYB in the first place (you live you learn). It irks me no end that the BYB sold Jenkins' under the CKC name. I'm fairly confident Jenkins' is purbred after reading this (from a post on this forum)"As far as what breeds are in each type, they are both mixed...bully type dogs have English Bulldog, St Bernard, Bullmastiff and Dogue De Bordeaux.Performance type have APBT, Catahoula Leapard Hound, Pointer." Whether Jenkins' is, or is not, purebred isn't the point. The point is, this lady sold a supposed purebreed dog under the CKC name. I think i'm going to take this lady to small claims court in hopes of retreiving the 200$ i spent on Jenkins. More importantly though, a loss in small claims court will dissuade her from breeding again! What do you guys think?
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So the lady i bought Mr. Jenkins from (a BYB), supposedly had Jenkins' parents, the sire and dam CKC registered (the paper showed that anyway). I sent off the CKC form in hopes of getting Mr. Jenkins' pedigree. Low and behold, the CKC couldn't find one or both of Jenkins' parents in their system. I should have never bought from a BYB in the first place (you live you learn). It irks me no end that the BYB sold Jenkins' under the CKC name. I'm fairly confident Jenkins' is purbred after reading this (from a post on this forum)"As far as what breeds are in each type, they are both mixed...bully type dogs have English Bulldog, St Bernard, Bullmastiff and Dogue De Bordeaux.Performance type have APBT, Catahoula Leapard Hound, Pointer." Whether Jenkins' is, or is not, purebred isn't the point. The point is, this lady sold a supposed purebreed dog under the CKC name. I think i'm going to take this lady to small claims court in hopes of retreiving the 200$ i spent on Jenkins. More importantly though, a loss in small claims court will dissuade her from breeding again! What do you guys think?
No offence, but that statement/argument is terrible. I have no idea where you got it from, but whomever wrote it was missing a screw or two.Slbs824 said:
You *might* have a chance of getting part of your money back, however, seeing as it's the CKC ("we paper anything"), and the judge is not likely to levy any sort of hefty fine or restriction upon the person, I doubt that your actions will dissuade her from breeding again.
- Anthony
Yeah, my actions may not do anything to slow down her BYB habits. If that quote isn't true, then what is the makeup of an Americna Bulldog, both Scott and Johnson types. What dogs were mixed to create the two main types of current day American Bulldogs?
Hmmm . . . OK, First, I keep forgetting this board is not just APBT, however, I think my statement of that quote being a little odd still stands true. However, I don't have an answer to your question as I am not involved in the AB Breed, and would not even attempt to run through the mill for an answer when I would not know if my information/research is true.Slbs824 said:
I'll let someone else who is more versed in the AB chime in with an answer.
- Anthony
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Well, the quote about AB's being mixed was made by me, and I would hope after 10 years with the breed, I would have some idea of what I was talking about. To clarify a bit more.... it is a known fact that English Bulldog was added by John D. Johnson himself in the early stages of the breed (West Champs High Hopes) and APBT was a foundation for both types in the beginning. While Scott and Johnson have only openly admitted to adding those two particular breeds, many other breeders have spoken about what also was added to the soup. There are long haired AB's in both types, and St. Bernard and Pointer have been said to have been added. Blue eyes....Catahoula,... Black masks...... Bullmastiff, etc. Once you see some tight breeding on any line, it makes any previous crosses pretty apparent. There are still people today who continue to add a number of bull and mollosser breeds to their dogs and "register" them as AB's..... very sad state to see in this day and age.
As far as CKC... if it's Continental Kennel Club, that doesn't mean much, especially in the AB breed. Requirements to register are only a witness signature and a picture...not a reputable registry for the breed at all. I always advise people to run from them. Granted, a registry is only as honest as the folks who register with them, and thier is dishonesty amongst them all.... The most common and more reputable registries for the breed are the ABA, NKC, ARF, ABRA, UKC, etc.
Your issues with the breeder may not be in your favor..... did you recieve any sort of contract or guarantee stating the dog was being sold with papers? If not, you would have no leg to stand on in court. Secondly, I think you would spend more money in court than what you payed for the dog... a $200.00 AB is cheap.... most go for $1000.00+ these days. Most breeders sell there pet quality puppies with no papers for at least $400 or more. I say, if you are happy with your dog, love him and learn from your experience.
As far as CKC... if it's Continental Kennel Club, that doesn't mean much, especially in the AB breed. Requirements to register are only a witness signature and a picture...not a reputable registry for the breed at all. I always advise people to run from them. Granted, a registry is only as honest as the folks who register with them, and thier is dishonesty amongst them all.... The most common and more reputable registries for the breed are the ABA, NKC, ARF, ABRA, UKC, etc.
Your issues with the breeder may not be in your favor..... did you recieve any sort of contract or guarantee stating the dog was being sold with papers? If not, you would have no leg to stand on in court. Secondly, I think you would spend more money in court than what you payed for the dog... a $200.00 AB is cheap.... most go for $1000.00+ these days. Most breeders sell there pet quality puppies with no papers for at least $400 or more. I say, if you are happy with your dog, love him and learn from your experience.
Please accept my apologies. I made my initial reply without remembering that this is an all-bull-breed board, and was thinking to myself in terms of the APBT, which is what is my "specialty".Carrie said:
I quickly bowed out of the conversation as I was not knowledged enough to comment nor answer the question at hand.
My apologies for rushing on the answer/criticism of your statement.
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Apology accepted, Ant. I apologize if I seemed rude or harsh in my reply. I don't claim to be "all knowing", and will always be learning, but I guess we can all get a bit ruffled when things we do know a bit about come into question! Thank you again for your apology. No harm done!
Well we won't be taking the lady to small claims court. Yesterday, in the mail, i received Jenkins' pedigree. On his moms side it goes back 2 generations, and on the dads side it goes back 4 generations (the farthest the Cont.KennelClub will go back, i think). So, if Jenkins isn't "purebred" he is pretty darn close. The Cont. Kennel club has him registered as purebred (which doesn't mean a heck of a lot). I wasn't planning on breeding him anyway, so it really doesn't matter, but now i can tell people i have an American Bulldog and feel confident that he is, in fact, an American Bulldog. 
Thanks for all of the input guys
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