Carrie, do you agree with the small standard AB vs pitbull of same size comment? From my knowledge this is true, but I could be wrong.
Would you clarify that, please. What breedings exactly are you talking about ?but the leclerc and painter lines are also heavily infused with apbt
yeah it's just not a really highly documented thing...i'm just saying that there are those who know and then there are those who believe there was no outcrossing.MrsCooper said:Never mind, sorry for asking. :?
There was major outcrossing, I dont know much history about leclerc but I know alot of history behind scott's and painter dogs and they outcrossed them quite a bit...I read an article writen by johnson and him and painter swapped dogs often and he stated that the dogs where often crossed and he himself has bred back to them so in a sence there is no such thing as a 100% american bulldog even if he is 100% johnson he has alittle pit blood in him. I will have to dig long and hard but I will find that article it is very interesting reading comming from the man himself.redbull said:yeah it's just not a really highly documented thing...i'm just saying that there are those who know and then there are those who believe there was no outcrossing.MrsCooper said:Never mind, sorry for asking. :?
I felt like you were looking for some proof by asking, you won't really find much though...there are a lot of papers that show ? or unknown way back in hte ped, or just aren't marked at all, and most people just know that these lines have been heavily infused and line-bred for some time. Sorry if I misunderstood your post.
I happen to prefer a 50 pound pit to a 70 pound pit, but that's just me.ambull040769 said:I guess what I want to know is why you would prefer a 70lb ambull over a 70lb pit?
It dont?mom to many said:Sorry....this really has nothing to do with lines, working, etc...
I was referring to the comment I was preparing to give....just below that line, I commented on how beautiful I thought Ice is...and that doesn't have anything to do with working, lines, etcambull040769 said:It dont?mom to many said:Sorry....this really has nothing to do with lines, working, etc...
Ambull, what does the damage? The head. The jaw. My dog's heads are as big as any 90lb-100lb dogs'. they bite HARD because they want to. Desire to do damage. For me, speed is important, so is size (up to a point). However, what is MOST important for me is COURAGE on man. Some very tough dogs work hogs like a maniac and yet when they go against a human, they fold. I want that drive against a human. AND they must be clear headed enough to control. Sometimes that control is very difficult to get.In a real world PP dog I think I would be willing to sacrifice some speed for weight and brute strength. Your comments are welcome on this matter. Do you work with your dogs just for competition or are they actually used to guard your property and family? I never intended on entering my dog in anything but when I got him my vet trains dogs in PP work as well as obdience and she offered to train my dog. She competes in Schutzhund with shepherds and mals and she invited me to a comp in ohio one day and I entered my dog and he got his schI and I kinda got hooked and then he got his schII and I think I am done...I am just too busy to keep pushing him and after all we did just get him for a family guard dog to watch the kids when they are in the back yard playing.
Whats funny though is I have actually used him to track one of my boys before when he was late comming home, I let him smell some dirty laundry and off we went and he found him...lol!
One thing I was curious about though is French ring? In schutzhund we use a sleave that has a bite bar in it and this forces the dog to have a hard bite however in FR you use the body suit and the dog does not have to bite as hard to hang on? Does this effect how hard a dog bites in your opinion?