[Grizwald]

Re: Well

Would it be okay for me to breed if I started showing her and she won the pretty preety ribbons and all the shiny shiny trophies?

It would be "okay" for you to breed when the shelters and pounds and Humane Societies are EMPTY.

Even then, I wouldn't be real excited about you or anyone getting to work filling them up again.

A good portion of the overpopulation of dogs in these places were "produced" by "hobby breeders." :roll: That very term horrifies me.

Before you take this on, I suggest you look at it from all ethical angles. That is the grown-up, responsible way to approach this.

Schedule a day to tour a couple of shelters and speak with their directors. Have them show you their numbers, their budgets, their euthanasia room. Then decide if you want to contribute to the solution or contribute to the problem. A true dog lover will follow their conscience or be haunted by it.

Let us know how your shelter visit goes, and when you get your male neutered! Good luck........and kudos to you for coming here for advice.

 

[i love remy]

Re: Well

Would it be okay for me to breed if I started showing her and she won the pretty preety ribbons and all the shiny shiny trophies?

It would be "okay" for you to breed when the shelters and pounds and Humane Societies are EMPTY.

Even then, I wouldn't be real excited about you or anyone getting to work filling them up again.

A good portion of the overpopulation of dogs in these places were "produced" by "hobby breeders." :roll: That very term horrifies me.

Before you take this on, I suggest you look at it from all ethical angles. That is the grown-up, responsible way to approach this.

Schedule a day to tour a couple of shelters and speak with their directors. Have them show you their numbers, their budgets, their euthanasia room. Then decide if you want to contribute to the solution or contribute to the problem. A true dog lover will follow their conscience or be haunted by it.

Let us know how your shelter visit goes, and when you get your male neutered! Good luck........and kudos to you for coming here for advice.

=D>

 

[Towmater]

Griz you are right and i not being mean but unfortunately this is the breeding discussion therefore we discuss breeding and there issues you won't get far telling a breeder to adopt that is why the forum deticated an entire section to adoption and rescue

 

[i love remy]

I think this forum would be better off without a breeding section. Maybe leave up a couple of stickies on the breeder's code of ethics and some other resources to point a potential breeders to, but not a whole forum where not much ever gets accomplished other than people making each other mad.

 

[Grizwald]

Griz you are right and i not being mean but unfortunately this is the breeding discussion therefore we discuss breeding and there issues you won't get far telling a breeder to adopt that is why the forum deticated an entire section to adoption and rescue

Where did I ever tell a breeder to adopt?

I agree, the breeding section should be entirely eliminated from the BDB altogether. Look at the roasting most people thinking of breeding get when they ask questions. Seems counter-intuitive to having a breeding section.

 

[Towmater]

that would be a personal opinion, but some good does come from the discussion

 

[BanterBull]

I think this forum would be better off without a breeding section. Maybe leave up a couple of stickies on the breeder's code of ethics and some other resources to point a potential breeders to, but not a whole forum where not much ever gets accomplished other than people making each other mad.

We can't just eliminate a forum from the board because some people disagree with it. When are ya'll gonna learn that different strokes for different folks...doesn't make one right and one wrong, it's never going to change. We need to state our opinions, courteously, offer our suggestions and stop acting like "our" view is right and "their" view is wrong...it's just a big cycle, going round and round....every time a breeding question pops up.

 

[BanterBull]

Griz you are right and i not being mean but unfortunately this is the breeding discussion therefore we discuss breeding and there issues you won't get far telling a breeder to adopt that is why the forum deticated an entire section to adoption and rescue

Where did I ever tell a breeder to adopt?

I agree, the breeding section should be entirely eliminated from the BDB altogether. Look at the roasting most people thinking of breeding get when they ask questions. Seems counter-intuitive to having a breeding section.

Yeah, lets get rid of it so there's one less place to gain knowledge and get an education, so they'll just go out and do it without asking questions. Heck, we might as well eliminate it, you all chase them away instantly anyway. Doing a great job!

 

[i love remy]

I think this forum would be better off without a breeding section. Maybe leave up a couple of stickies on the breeder's code of ethics and some other resources to point a potential breeders to, but not a whole forum where not much ever gets accomplished other than people making each other mad.

We can't just eliminate a forum from the board because some people disagree with it. When are ya'll gonna learn that different strokes for different folks...doesn't make one right and one wrong, it's never going to change. We need to state our opinions, courteously, offer our suggestions and stop acting like "our" view is right and "their" view is wrong...it's just a big cycle, going round and round....every time a breeding question pops up.

I'm not suggesting eliminating a forum because some people disagree with it. I'm suggesting eliminating it because it is not beneficial, causes nothing but arguments, and encourages irrsponsible breeding. Does this forum support backyard breeding? I'm coming to think that it does....

 

[BanterBull]

I think this forum would be better off without a breeding section. Maybe leave up a couple of stickies on the breeder's code of ethics and some other resources to point a potential breeders to, but not a whole forum where not much ever gets accomplished other than people making each other mad.

We can't just eliminate a forum from the board because some people disagree with it. When are ya'll gonna learn that different strokes for different folks...doesn't make one right and one wrong, it's never going to change. We need to state our opinions, courteously, offer our suggestions and stop acting like "our" view is right and "their" view is wrong...it's just a big cycle, going round and round....every time a breeding question pops up.

I'm not suggesting eliminating a forum because some people disagree with it. I'm suggesting eliminating it because it is not beneficial, causes nothing but arguments, and encourages irrsponsible breeding. Does this forum support backyard breeding? I'm coming to think that it does....

Not too many people support it, but everyone has a different definition of it. We acknowledge that it happens and try to educate people. We can't avoid topics just because we may disagree with them. But, that doesn't mean we have to immediately bash people BECAUSE we disagree with them.

 

[i love remy]

Not too many people support it, but everyone has a different definition of it. We acknowledge that it happens and try to educate people. We can't avoid topics just because we may disagree with them. But, that doesn't mean we have to immediately bash people BECAUSE we disagree with them.

Why don't we have a "fighting dogs" section, then? Seems like we DO avoid certain topics because we disagree with them...

 

[BanterBull]

Not too many people support it, but everyone has a different definition of it. We acknowledge that it happens and try to educate people. We can't avoid topics just because we may disagree with them. But, that doesn't mean we have to immediately bash people BECAUSE we disagree with them.

Why don't we have a "fighting dogs" section, then? Seems like we DO avoid certain topics because we disagree with them...

Well..first of all...because dog fighting is ILLEGAL and breeding is LEGAL....that's a start....
That is a ridiculous comparison.

 

[Warrior Princess]

Not too many people support it, but everyone has a different definition of it. We acknowledge that it happens and try to educate people. We can't avoid topics just because we may disagree with them. But, that doesn't mean we have to immediately bash people BECAUSE we disagree with them.

Why don't we have a "fighting dogs" section, then? Seems like we DO avoid certain topics because we disagree with them...

Well..first of all...because dog fighting is ILLEGAL and breeding is LEGAL....that's a start....
That is a ridiculous comparison.

Agreed

 

[i love remy]

Ok - I'm done with this. I'm a member of another pit bull forum that doesn't have a breeding section and doesn't allow any talking about breeding. I'm just going to stick with that forum. I like the rescue based forums better anyway. This one is starting to disgust me.

 

[BanterBull]

Ok - I'm done with this. I'm a member of another pit bull forum that doesn't have a breeding section and doesn't allow any talking about breeding. I'm just going to stick with that forum. I like the rescue based forums better anyway. This one is starting to disgust me.

Ok, good luck. It was nice having you during your time here. But, we understand that you have your opinions, and you're entitled to that. Enjoy your other forum. Sorry we're starting to disgust you. :thumbleft:

 

[Kasco]

Well, here's my thought. We are not going to eliminate BYB by NOT having a breeding section. Just because we turn our eyes and ears off to it, doen't mean it isn't happening. To not have a breeding section is ridiculous. This is a public forum for crying out loud. Anyone who reads through any of the posts will know that the forum for the most part does NOT support backyard breeding, or unethical breeders if you will. If we don't have a breeding section, people will post "At what age should I breed my dog" in another section. People will educate, people will flame, people will do whatever they want because this is a public forum.

 

[tommar24365]

I learned tons of info

here when I had my litter of pups. I was in contact with members of this board that were so very helpful and helped my runt make it through! I really appriated that! If you don't like breeding why don't you go to a resuce board? I'm sure that would suit your interest more.
Tommar

 

[Kasco]

Leeann, I'd hate to see you leave here. You know how most of us feel about BYB. There will always be a few who argue for it. I hope you reconsider.

 

[Lisa]

Leeann, I'd hate to see you leave here. You know how most of us feel about BYB. There will always be a few who argue for it. I hope you reconsider.

I agree, people like Leeann are needed here.

I like Roxy's idea for the breeding section (making it known the board doesn't condone backyard breeding) would change your mind, Leeann?

 

[Cinder]

Leeann! WTF! If you leave, I have two less dogs to rub my ass on!