[msvette2u]

Leeann, I'd hate to see you leave here. You know how most of us feel about BYB. There will always be a few who argue for it. I hope you reconsider.

I agree, people like Leeann are needed here.

I like Roxy's idea for the breeding section (making it known the board doesn't condone backyard breeding) would change your mind, Leeann?

I think that's a step in the right direction.
I think everyone who wants to breed their dogs needs to visit the local shelter on euthanasia day and see just how many purebred dogs are losing their lives, especially pit bulls where BSL is rampant and shelters cannot adopt out pit bulls.
Also visit www.petfinder.com and look at the dogs sitting in rescue - and tell us why your pups are going to be an exception?

 

[Miakoda]

Backyard breeding? I have done a little reading on this. First off I feel a large portion of the frequenters in the breeding discussion area are frequenters because ya’ll are looking for your chance to call anyone a backyard breeder. Ask a ? or 2 first and find the persons motives. In most cases someone is not going to post a breeding ? and that next hour or day go breed. So if you think passing judgment on everyone that mentions breeding is a backyard breeder then you are wrong. I may be wrong but I don’t think the original intention of this forum section was to criticize, but to help or lead in the correct direction, and if in fact they are a backyard breeder then let them know their wrong doings but there really is not need for rude comments like this “I wouldn't take a dog from you if it was free, much less pay you money for it.” And by the way Miakoda since you feel so strongly on this topic and have mentioned you have a number of dogs and you say you have paid very little or nothing at all, I am interested in whom or where you have obtained these animals from. I am also interested in what everyone’s definition of a backyard breeder, I will start a new thread asking this. I do agree there is no need for backyard breeding, but just because someone is not a professional breeder does not mean they are a backyard breeder. This person asked a stud question. This person may not be knowledgeable enough to handle the female side of breeding but I see nothing wrong with this person taking the dog and having it health tested and have a professional come and analyze the animal for meeting the standards. If the dog passes all test and standards then technically he is a stud, now whether he studs to professional breeders is another issue but ask and suggest these kinds of things instead of assuming ever person is doing it for the money. I do understand some people are worth less to the point of even if the dog had a tooth growing from his nose they would breed it, those people have issues, but criticize them not someone with a serious knowledgeless question who just need to be informed. Seriously analyze yourself if you feel the need to always criticize, as a forum I think the members need to be more welcoming, I am not suggesting I am perfect either cause I have had my issues with individuals on here also but to constantly stir up crap is not necessary.

=D>

You would applaud. :roll:

Towmater, get off your high horse for a second & look around you. Some of us are calling the majority of these breeders "bybs" because they ARE not because we just want to type those pretty letters out.

I don't see the problem with being blunt. I don't have a problem with the truth. But obviously you do. I don't apologize for not sugar coating things & telling people "Congrats" for bringing another genetically "censured" up litter into the world which will only cause problems for all the other bulldog breeds out there in terms of irresponsible owners, ill tempered dogs, & you guessed it, Breed Specific Legislation.

No offense, but your short, fat, huffs & puffs to walk 20 ft EB isn't under the BSL statues.........yet. Until it is, I will venture to say that you will continue to take the sides of bybs & peddlers all because that's their "right" to make money off a dog instead of just going out & getting a job or even a 2nd job if it's needed. When you truly understand what APBTs, ASTs, SBTs, & AB's are facing, then people will grant you the time to read your posts & take them to heart.

And Leanne, you ARE needed here. I'm asking you to never give up. If you are the minority in your beliefs, so be it, but I am right there by your side fighting with you as are many others on here. When one person steps down it leaves us a man down & we cannot afford to be a man down right now.

 

[BanterBull]

Backyard breeding? I have done a little reading on this. First off I feel a large portion of the frequenters in the breeding discussion area are frequenters because ya’ll are looking for your chance to call anyone a backyard breeder. Ask a ? or 2 first and find the persons motives. In most cases someone is not going to post a breeding ? and that next hour or day go breed. So if you think passing judgment on everyone that mentions breeding is a backyard breeder then you are wrong. I may be wrong but I don’t think the original intention of this forum section was to criticize, but to help or lead in the correct direction, and if in fact they are a backyard breeder then let them know their wrong doings but there really is not need for rude comments like this “I wouldn't take a dog from you if it was free, much less pay you money for it.” And by the way Miakoda since you feel so strongly on this topic and have mentioned you have a number of dogs and you say you have paid very little or nothing at all, I am interested in whom or where you have obtained these animals from. I am also interested in what everyone’s definition of a backyard breeder, I will start a new thread asking this. I do agree there is no need for backyard breeding, but just because someone is not a professional breeder does not mean they are a backyard breeder. This person asked a stud question. This person may not be knowledgeable enough to handle the female side of breeding but I see nothing wrong with this person taking the dog and having it health tested and have a professional come and analyze the animal for meeting the standards. If the dog passes all test and standards then technically he is a stud, now whether he studs to professional breeders is another issue but ask and suggest these kinds of things instead of assuming ever person is doing it for the money. I do understand some people are worth less to the point of even if the dog had a tooth growing from his nose they would breed it, those people have issues, but criticize them not someone with a serious knowledgeless question who just need to be informed. Seriously analyze yourself if you feel the need to always criticize, as a forum I think the members need to be more welcoming, I am not suggesting I am perfect either cause I have had my issues with individuals on here also but to constantly stir up crap is not necessary.

=D>

You would applaud. :roll:

Towmater, get off your high horse for a second & look around you. Some of us are calling the majority of these breeders "bybs" because they ARE not because we just want to type those pretty letters out.

I don't see the problem with being blunt. I don't have a problem with the truth. But obviously you do. I don't apologize for not sugar coating things & telling people "Congrats" for bringing another genetically "censured" up litter into the world which will only cause problems for all the other bulldog breeds out there in terms of irresponsible owners, ill tempered dogs, & you guessed it, Breed Specific Legislation.

No offense, but your short, fat, huffs & puffs to walk 20 ft EB isn't under the BSL statues.........yet. Until it is, I will venture to say that you will continue to take the sides of bybs & peddlers all because that's their "right" to make money off a dog instead of just going out & getting a job or even a 2nd job if it's needed. When you truly understand what APBTs, ASTs, SBTs, & AB's are facing, then people will grant you the time to read your posts & take them to heart.

And Leanne, you ARE needed here. I'm asking you to never give up. If you are the minority in your beliefs, so be it, but I am right there by your side fighting with you as are many others on here. When one person steps down it leaves us a man down & we cannot afford to be a man down right now.

To be taken seriously, you might want to consider leaving out any and all curse words. I edited your post to omit your use of a word we tend to frown upon.

For the thousandth time, we understand where you're all coming from. There's just a way to educate and a way to humiliate and push away. Bashing the people who need answers isn't nearly as effective as educating them.

 

[Towmater]

Backyard breeding? I have done a little reading on this. First off I feel a large portion of the frequenters in the breeding discussion area are frequenters because ya’ll are looking for your chance to call anyone a backyard breeder. Ask a ? or 2 first and find the persons motives. In most cases someone is not going to post a breeding ? and that next hour or day go breed. So if you think passing judgment on everyone that mentions breeding is a backyard breeder then you are wrong. I may be wrong but I don’t think the original intention of this forum section was to criticize, but to help or lead in the correct direction, and if in fact they are a backyard breeder then let them know their wrong doings but there really is not need for rude comments like this “I wouldn't take a dog from you if it was free, much less pay you money for it.” And by the way Miakoda since you feel so strongly on this topic and have mentioned you have a number of dogs and you say you have paid very little or nothing at all, I am interested in whom or where you have obtained these animals from. I am also interested in what everyone’s definition of a backyard breeder, I will start a new thread asking this. I do agree there is no need for backyard breeding, but just because someone is not a professional breeder does not mean they are a backyard breeder. This person asked a stud question. This person may not be knowledgeable enough to handle the female side of breeding but I see nothing wrong with this person taking the dog and having it health tested and have a professional come and analyze the animal for meeting the standards. If the dog passes all test and standards then technically he is a stud, now whether he studs to professional breeders is another issue but ask and suggest these kinds of things instead of assuming ever person is doing it for the money. I do understand some people are worth less to the point of even if the dog had a tooth growing from his nose they would breed it, those people have issues, but criticize them not someone with a serious knowledgeless question who just need to be informed. Seriously analyze yourself if you feel the need to always criticize, as a forum I think the members need to be more welcoming, I am not suggesting I am perfect either cause I have had my issues with individuals on here also but to constantly stir up crap is not necessary.

=D>

You would applaud. :roll:

Towmater, get off your high horse for a second & look around you. Some of us are calling the majority of these breeders "bybs" because they ARE not because we just want to type those pretty letters out.

I don't see the problem with being blunt. I don't have a problem with the truth. But obviously you do. I don't apologize for not sugar coating things & telling people "Congrats" for bringing another genetically "censured" up litter into the world which will only cause problems for all the other bulldog breeds out there in terms of irresponsible owners, ill tempered dogs, & you guessed it, Breed Specific Legislation.

No offense, but your short, fat, huffs & puffs to walk 20 ft EB isn't under the BSL statues.........yet. Until it is, I will venture to say that you will continue to take the sides of bybs & peddlers all because that's their "right" to make money off a dog instead of just going out & getting a job or even a 2nd job if it's needed. When you truly understand what APBTs, ASTs, SBTs, & AB's are facing, then people will grant you the time to read your posts & take them to heart.

And Leanne, you ARE needed here. I'm asking you to never give up. If you are the minority in your beliefs, so be it, but I am right there by your side fighting with you as are many others on here. When one person steps down it leaves us a man down & we cannot afford to be a man down right now.

This is your problem, you have been hanging around this board for about a 1.5 years or you have been a member that long, so what you have done is you have read all the posts and followed what is going on and someone learned a little info and some terms, and you listen to your vet and from what I gathered you are a vet tech(this is short for I spray crap out of a pin wash and walk dogs all day and on occasion I get to watch a surgery) and then you took the negative attitude that life has dealt her and you jump everyone’s case about everything, I am not asking you to not be blunt, that is fine be blunt. But I am asking you to slow your attitude down for 2.5 seconds and ask a question or 2 and get the facts before assuming they haven’t gotten the necessary test done. Now the short and fat comment about Stetson, that was uncalled for he was bred that way, he is correct height and he is 55lb which for the impolite assuming crowd(you and your friends) is the standard as far as size goes and the circumference of his head is at least his height. Yes he will be bred if he passes all of his heath tests, this is not important for addressing your inconsiderate attitude. You act like and teenager who’s has no idea what respect is although I should have expected it from you coming from Louisiana, that is an entirely diff crowd over there. Let’s look at our posts from now on as being in court, everyone is innocent until proven guilty that leads me back to you need to ask question before jump all over people. If you prove that person guilty then by all mean jump there butt, have at it but lets stop turning people off from our forum because essentially it is ours (public), it is what we make it, it does seem as though you think it is just yours, that is where you are wrong, I will stop the reprimanding here for now I will proceed if need be. I look forward to your snide reply.

 

[CowBella]

I think that it would be ok to abandon the Breeding section, or at the very least, lock it with only stickies to read. This is not a forum dedicated to working or showing dogs, although we have several that work, show and breed their dogs.

You never see the people that are building their kennel name by working or showing their dogs ask about breeding. The people that have earned, or are earning the right to breed their dogs have mentors and peers that they will look to for advice, not a forum of pet owners who's cousin's neighbor's grandma bred a litter of cockapoos in the 70's.

The problem with the breeding section, is that NO responsible hobby breeder will be looking for answers there. It will forever be the center of heated discussions, and the first step to alienating any one that MAY stick around long enough to do the responsible thing, and not breed their dogs.

I know that we all ask silly questions from time to time, simply because we don't know... but if someone is taking on the responsibility of bringing more dogs into the world, then they damn sure better have someone they trust helping them. If they can not find a mentor in the dog world to help answer breeding questions, questions about studding a dog out, or how long till my bitch whelps... then they really need to re-evaluate their purpose of breeding.

A dog can not be deemed worthy of breeding, not just able to breed, but WORTHY of breeding by having a vet check and someone come look at the dog. It's not a question of standing on soap boxes or rockin on the high horse. It's PASSION. Passion for the breeds that are soon to be illegal to own. Passion for the bad name that ONE pit bull does to the entire Bully population. Passion and concern for the breed being in hands of idiots that do not understand the potential and power of these dogs. No.. NO it is not ok to breed your dog just because you want a new couch, need to pay the IRS, or want to buy a new bitch to crank out puppies.. more puppes, more cash, more furniture, pay off the credit cards, vacation to Disney Land. Geeze.


As far as what I think a BYB is... no health certs, no titled dogs, no pedigree research, and they breed the litter to sell. Hobby breeders... people that show/work/title their dogs, plan matches between pedigrees YEARS in advance. They may even breed a litter to breed a bitch out of it in the far future. Hobby breeders cull. Hobby breeders keep most of the litter, or place them in a show/working home to be titled, and you would be LUCKY to get one from such a responsible planned breeding.

I have learned alot here.. formed some stronger opinions... but never was I someone that thought it was ok to breed dogs just because. If there is no benefit to the breed in the breeding... then it is... just because.

 

[Miakoda]

This is your problem, you have been hanging around this board for about a 1.5 years or you have been a member that long, so what you have done is you have read all the posts and followed what is going on and someone learned a little info and some terms, and you listen to your vet and from what I gathered you are a vet tech(this is short for I spray crap out of a pin wash and walk dogs all day and on occasion I get to watch a surgery) and then you took the negative attitude that life has dealt her and you jump everyone’s case about everything, I am not asking you to not be blunt, that is fine be blunt. But I am asking you to slow your attitude down for 2.5 seconds and ask a question or 2 and get the facts before assuming they haven’t gotten the necessary test done. Now the short and fat comment about Stetson, that was uncalled for he was bred that way, he is correct height and he is 55lb which for the impolite assuming crowd(you and your friends) is the standard as far as size goes and the circumference of his head is at least his height. Yes he will be bred if he passes all of his heath tests, this is not important for addressing your inconsiderate attitude. You act like and teenager who’s has no idea what respect is although I should have expected it from you coming from Louisiana, that is an entirely diff crowd over there. Let’s look at our posts from now on as being in court, everyone is innocent until proven guilty that leads me back to you need to ask question before jump all over people. If you prove that person guilty then by all mean jump there butt, have at it but lets stop turning people off from our forum because essentially it is ours (public), it is what we make it, it does seem as though you think it is just yours, that is where you are wrong, I will stop the reprimanding here for now I will proceed if need be. I look forward to your snide reply.

OMG. You don't have a clue do you? First off, I have a Bachelor's degree in Pre-Physical Therapy with 2 minors: 1 in Biology & 1 in Nutrition. THEN, after being accepted into P.T. school & deciding that isn't what I truly want to do, I went back to school & got an Associate's degree & got certifed as a Veterinary Technician. For the record, I don't shovel shit & bring coffee to the vets. Actually, I'm the one who gets there early in the mornings & does treatments. What that means is a vet leaves instructions for the dogs & I do all the medications, put in I.V. cathetors, start & monitor fluids, etc. etc. I don't just "watch surgeries", I DO surgeries.....anything from typical spay/neuters to ear crops to gastric torsion reversals, to exploratoriers to hernia repairs to FHOs to TPLOs & even do dentals. I am the one who runs the autoclave to sterilize all equipment & makes the surgical packs. I am the one who is in charge of the anesthesia machine & the EKC machine during surgery. I am also the person in the lab who draws blood to run in the CBC & Complete Profile machines. I am the one who checks skin scrapes, fecal samples, runs pregnancy tests, brucellosis tests, sends tumor removals off for histiopaths. I am also in the exam room hold dogs/cats, trimming nails, doing shots, etc. And I also clean kennels as the clinic where I've worked at doesn't believe in power trips or ego trips. However, you obviously lack the education to know the difference between a schooled & certified vet. tech. & a minimum wage kennel worker at a doggie day care. But who am I to argue?

As for coming from Louisiana, the people here have more respect & class than you will ever know, understand, or have.

Also, if you bother reading my posts, I provide facts & statistics it's just that many don't want to hear the truth because it offends them just as it seems to offend you. Same with Lisa & the others who stick to their guns & don't lie to people just to make them feel good.

I stand by everything I say. If I don't know the answer to something, I a) don't give an answer or b) have no problem explaining to the person asking that I don't know.

However, I've been heavily involved in the APBT world for 10 years now. Instead of joining an internet forum to have anonymous people teach me things, I found a mentor & worked/studied/learned under him.

 

[BanterBull]

This is your problem, you have been hanging around this board for about a 1.5 years or you have been a member that long, so what you have done is you have read all the posts and followed what is going on and someone learned a little info and some terms, and you listen to your vet and from what I gathered you are a vet tech(this is short for I spray crap out of a pin wash and walk dogs all day and on occasion I get to watch a surgery) and then you took the negative attitude that life has dealt her and you jump everyone’s case about everything, I am not asking you to not be blunt, that is fine be blunt. But I am asking you to slow your attitude down for 2.5 seconds and ask a question or 2 and get the facts before assuming they haven’t gotten the necessary test done. Now the short and fat comment about Stetson, that was uncalled for he was bred that way, he is correct height and he is 55lb which for the impolite assuming crowd(you and your friends) is the standard as far as size goes and the circumference of his head is at least his height. Yes he will be bred if he passes all of his heath tests, this is not important for addressing your inconsiderate attitude. You act like and teenager who’s has no idea what respect is although I should have expected it from you coming from Louisiana, that is an entirely diff crowd over there. Let’s look at our posts from now on as being in court, everyone is innocent until proven guilty that leads me back to you need to ask question before jump all over people. If you prove that person guilty then by all mean jump there butt, have at it but lets stop turning people off from our forum because essentially it is ours (public), it is what we make it, it does seem as though you think it is just yours, that is where you are wrong, I will stop the reprimanding here for now I will proceed if need be. I look forward to your snide reply.

OMG. You don't have a clue do you? First off, I have a Bachelor's degree in Pre-Physical Therapy with 2 minors: 1 in Biology & 1 in Nutrition. THEN, after being accepted into P.T. school & deciding that isn't what I truly want to do, I went back to school & got an Associate's degree & got certifed as a Veterinary Technician. For the record, I don't shovel darn & bring coffee to the vets. Actually, I'm the one who gets there early in the mornings & does treatments. What that means is a vet leaves instructions for the dogs & I do all the medications, put in I.V. cathetors, start & monitor fluids, etc. etc. I don't just "watch surgeries", I DO surgeries.....anything from typical spay/neuters to ear crops to gastric torsion reversals, to exploratoriers to hernia repairs to FHOs to TPLOs & even do dentals. I am the one who runs the autoclave to sterilize all equipment & makes the surgical packs. I am the one who is in charge of the anesthesia machine & the EKC machine during surgery. I am also the person in the lab who draws blood to run in the CBC & Complete Profile machines. I am the one who checks skin scrapes, fecal samples, runs pregnancy tests, brucellosis tests, sends tumor removals off for histiopaths. I am also in the exam room hold dogs/cats, trimming nails, doing shots, etc. And I also clean kennels as the clinic where I've worked at doesn't believe in power trips or ego trips. However, you obviously lack the education to know the difference between a schooled & certified vet. tech. & a minimum wage kennel worker at a doggie day care. But who am I to argue?

As for coming from Louisiana, the people here have more respect & class than you will ever know, understand, or have.

Also, if you bother reading my posts, I provide facts & statistics it's just that many don't want to hear the truth because it offends them just as it seems to offend you. Same with Lisa & the others who stick to their guns & don't lie to people just to make them feel good.

I stand by everything I say. If I don't know the answer to something, I a) don't give an answer or b) have no problem explaining to the person asking that I don't know.

However, I've been heavily involved in the APBT world for 10 years now. Instead of joining an internet forum to have anonymous people teach me things, I found a mentor & worked/studied/learned under him.

See, it's pretty easy to get the wrong idea about people without first asking questions, huh?.....

 

[tdah]

For the thousandth time, we understand where you're all coming from. There's just a way to educate and a way to humiliate and push away. Bashing the people who need answers isn't nearly as effective as educating them.

while i haven't been here as long as many of you, i couldn't agree more with that statement. yes, some people come here intent on breeding and will not change their minds no matter what.

other people who want to breed their good-looking dog, however, are naive concerning the subject and have no idea about the responsibilities of good breeders or the problems with random breedings. others have no intention of breeding, but learn about the subject here anyway, and go on to help educate others. these last two groups of people are the ones who definitely benefit from this subforum, and it'd be a shame to do away with it (hopefully there is no actual consideration to doing that, and it's only a vocal few who want to see it gone). these groups are the ones that all of you have the ability to help educate and sway away from becoming bybs. like Banter said, spending 1 minute to type a short educational statement (hell, write it once, then copy and paste it when appropriate - that'll take you all of 20 seconds) does a lot more good than calling people idiots (or insert whatever term here) or doing this :roll:.

 

[Towmater]

This is your problem, you have been hanging around this board for about a 1.5 years or you have been a member that long, so what you have done is you have read all the posts and followed what is going on and someone learned a little info and some terms, and you listen to your vet and from what I gathered you are a vet tech(this is short for I spray crap out of a pin wash and walk dogs all day and on occasion I get to watch a surgery) and then you took the negative attitude that life has dealt her and you jump everyone’s case about everything, I am not asking you to not be blunt, that is fine be blunt. But I am asking you to slow your attitude down for 2.5 seconds and ask a question or 2 and get the facts before assuming they haven’t gotten the necessary test done. Now the short and fat comment about Stetson, that was uncalled for he was bred that way, he is correct height and he is 55lb which for the impolite assuming crowd(you and your friends) is the standard as far as size goes and the circumference of his head is at least his height. Yes he will be bred if he passes all of his heath tests, this is not important for addressing your inconsiderate attitude. You act like and teenager who’s has no idea what respect is although I should have expected it from you coming from Louisiana, that is an entirely diff crowd over there. Let’s look at our posts from now on as being in court, everyone is innocent until proven guilty that leads me back to you need to ask question before jump all over people. If you prove that person guilty then by all mean jump there butt, have at it but lets stop turning people off from our forum because essentially it is ours (public), it is what we make it, it does seem as though you think it is just yours, that is where you are wrong, I will stop the reprimanding here for now I will proceed if need be. I look forward to your snide reply.

OMG. You don't have a clue do you? First off, I have a Bachelor's degree in Pre-Physical Therapy with 2 minors: 1 in Biology & 1 in Nutrition. THEN, after being accepted into P.T. school & deciding that isn't what I truly want to do, I went back to school & got an Associate's degree & got certifed as a Veterinary Technician. For the record, I don't shovel darn & bring coffee to the vets. Actually, I'm the one who gets there early in the mornings & does treatments. What that means is a vet leaves instructions for the dogs & I do all the medications, put in I.V. cathetors, start & monitor fluids, etc. etc. I don't just "watch surgeries", I DO surgeries.....anything from typical spay/neuters to ear crops to gastric torsion reversals, to exploratoriers to hernia repairs to FHOs to TPLOs & even do dentals. I am the one who runs the autoclave to sterilize all equipment & makes the surgical packs. I am the one who is in charge of the anesthesia machine & the EKC machine during surgery. I am also the person in the lab who draws blood to run in the CBC & Complete Profile machines. I am the one who checks skin scrapes, fecal samples, runs pregnancy tests, brucellosis tests, sends tumor removals off for histiopaths. I am also in the exam room hold dogs/cats, trimming nails, doing shots, etc. And I also clean kennels as the clinic where I've worked at doesn't believe in power trips or ego trips. However, you obviously lack the education to know the difference between a schooled & certified vet. tech. & a minimum wage kennel worker at a doggie day care. But who am I to argue?

As for coming from Louisiana, the people here have more respect & class than you will ever know, understand, or have.

Also, if you bother reading my posts, I provide facts & statistics it's just that many don't want to hear the truth because it offends them just as it seems to offend you. Same with Lisa & the others who stick to their guns & don't lie to people just to make them feel good.

I stand by everything I say. If I don't know the answer to something, I a) don't give an answer or b) have no problem explaining to the person asking that I don't know.

However, I've been heavily involved in the APBT world for 10 years now. Instead of joining an internet forum to have anonymous people teach me things, I found a mentor & worked/studied/learned under him.

Ok I got ya that is cute you are a certified vet tech, so you do the crap that the none certified can’t do but the crap the vet doesn’t want to wake up an do, that is like the difference between a nurse and an RN in the medical field. What do your other degrees mean to me nothing? As for me being uneducated well as a vet tech yes I am. I do have two great resources as 2 of my former roommates are vet students at UGA, but you are right that is not my line of work or edu. As you do on all of your post I did assume and I was correct that you are a vet tech. I am thinking if I have a question I will ask the vet not the tech. I should have asked what your place in the tech world is, my bad.

You have still not address my entire reason for this argument and that is this part of the forum, Breeding Discussion, would be a much more informative section if you would not spout off but instead, unlike I did with you, ask a question or 2, I am assuming again but you want to be the first to call a person out, it is like a wounded deer and your are the pack of coyotes. This is a forum to inform people, that is why people come and ask questions, but if you criticize them right off the bat they will not return and continue or even start their own BYB because they are uninformed because some arrogant Vet Tech can’t ask a question, to get more info to HELP someone instead of turn them off from this forum. Lets address this issue.

Would that be a liable thing for you to try and do so we can keep and educate more members?

As for my education well that has nothing to do with animals but if someone cares to know they can ask here of pm or we can even start a whole new thread for me, now that would be fun wouldn’t it?

 

[angie7349]

Guys tone it down with the personal insults about each others education, dogs, and occupation!!! Totally uncalled for and a violation of the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now my opinion on the matter, it would not help anything to get rid of the breeding section. There are people that do the research BEFORE they breed their dogs. If we took the breeding section away though people would be at a loss even though it is not that many, it is a start. Also if we got rid of the breeding section we would lose the opportunity to educate the people like Roxy and myself that were just flat out uneducated about it. When I got Tora I did not plan on breeding her but I was not closed minded to the idea either. With all of the people that I have asked me about breeding since I got her I probably would have thought that it would have been a good idea by now. LUCKLY I found the board and Tora was spayed. I can't count the number of people that have said that they would love to have a pup from her and I am sure that a lot of people here have experienced the same. If we close the breeding section then the people that are luke warm to the idea will only hear how great their dogs are and think that they have something special.

 

[Grizwald]

But what constitutes effective 'education' about breeding around here?

A "sticky?"

A bunch of snide remarks and personal attacks?

A big batch of scholarly research a potential breeder is unlikely to read?

A ton of links to super depressing YouTube vids of euthanasia/shelters?

Who is setting the definition and tone?

The mods? The other members? Other BYBs?

 

[Roxy]

Ok - I'm done with this. I'm a member of another pit bull forum that doesn't have a breeding section and doesn't allow any talking about breeding. I'm just going to stick with that forum. I like the rescue based forums better anyway. This one is starting to disgust me.

Ok, good luck. It was nice having you during your time here. But, we understand that you have your opinions, and you're entitled to that. Enjoy your other forum. Sorry we're starting to disgust you. :thumbleft:

Aww sad to see you leave Leeann Hope you have enjoyed your time with us and keep up the good work with the fostering.

 

[SisMorphine]

However, you obviously lack the education to know the difference between a schooled & certified vet. tech. & a minimum wage kennel worker at a doggie day care.

I'm letting that slide . . . this time . .



Education is key in what dogs should and should not be bred. I don't think that when someone asks a question about breeding their dog we should say "Awesome, you rock, do it and sell the puppies for a bunch of cash" nor should we say "Dude, you suck, neuter your dog or die." What we need is tact. What we need are members who are willing to find a way to approach the subject in a non confrontational, informative manner. What we need are members who have similar stories to TELL the people asking questions their experiences "I purchased a dog from a BYB and these are the reasons why I wish I had known better back then" or "I wanted to breed my dog, but after reading such and such it really made me think and now she is spayed." There are ways to present reasons why not to breed without sugar coating and without attacking. And it is frustrating when you see so many people asking the same questions over and over and over about breeding. We may have seen this question 55 times in the past month, but we have to remember that this is the first time this poster has asked us about it. So instead of getting frustrated and losing it the 56th time it shows up, you should have a pretty well thought out response by now which is informative, convincing, and not an attack.

 

[mom to many]

What's so hard about this...a newbie asks a question about breeding...you point them towards the stickies and threads in the breeding section and suggest a few tings in a CIVIL way and then go about your merry way....

If a regular, long standing member has the b@lls to ask moronic questions about breeding, I'd say THEY are the ones you direct your anger towards...people like that are the ones that should know better after being here for awhile.

It takes effort and thought on YOUR ("your" meaning any member here on BDB) part to make snide, rude, belittling comments to someone...why waste that energy on a potential BYB...just point them in the right direction and be done with it.

 

[sajoseph]

Mia, out of curiosity, being sooo involved hands on in the vet world as a certified vet tech, what do you do when people are bringing their byb purchased dogs in for ear croppings? Or their female for AI? Or their female after whelping a litter of bulldog mix puppies? Are you able to chastise and belittle them at your vets office? Or do you have to hold it back until you get home and get on bulldogbreeds.com? Because, after thinking, and considering signing up for a vet tech certification at Auburn this fall, I am wondering how Id react as well.

I think the breeding section stays. If members have that major of a problem with it, then by all means, stay out of there. Don't read the posts, don't answer the posts. There is no reason to flame anyone the way that is done here without good reason. People need a place to ask questions. And ESPECIALLY if the breeding has already been done. They need you guys more then ever, and should not be pushed away.

If a subject is sore, stay away!

I personally have been there, and done that. Therefore, although I do not condone BYB, I also understand in a way that most of you dont, therefore am able to give advice and help. Unlike many of you, Id rather see momma whelp a healthy litter and stay healthy herself instead of someone getting flamed and leaving, and their dog ending up with mastitus or something and dieing shortly after birth. Id rather inform the owner what to look for, so that everything turns out alright. Id rather be able to help and chastise and slam, until everyone is ok, then educate! That's the way it should be done.

You dont like it, stay out.

And finally Mia, I am not a byb. Stop your stupid little internet crusade against me and leave me the he77 alone once and for all. After all, you are an adult, obviously an educated adult with your vet tech cert and all :roll: you have your own child now, maybe you should invest alittle more time into family, rather then take all you aggressions out on others so much. That'd be alot of useful energy. I indeed whelped a littler of pups, that were not health tested or titled :roll: HOWEVER you seem to be forgetting the most important point to my adventure, I did not sell a single puppy, and I kept 2/3 of the litter and spayed all females. Look at it this way, I also produced 2 pups that are showing and winning as we speak. Not bad, I hear even professional breeders rarely do that, and they plan it!

Can't everyone just call a truce?(?sp)

 

[choboy]

It seems you all have gotten your point across. Wht don't you move on......I can't remember what the question was!!! Never mind, I'm sure they are sorry they asked.

 

[BanterBull]

It seems you all have gotten your point across. Wht don't you move on......I can't remember what the question was!!! Never mind, I'm sure they are sorry they asked.

That was her last post, the beginning of this thread. She either learned her lesson, or more than likely left for good to do what she wants to do.

 

[Lisa]

She found another board (won't mention which one) where byb are more welcomed. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[tommar24365]

I do have two great resources as 2 of my former roommates are vet students at UGA, but you are right that is not my line of work or edu. As you do on all of your post I did assume and I was correct that you are a vet tech.

Wanna get our bullies together for a playdate? I live just south of Atlanta
Tommar

 

[BanterBull]

She found another board (won't mention which one) where byb are more welcomed. :lol: :lol: :lol:

See, what a great job we did.......to chase her away...congratulations.